service before success
 

In my old fashioned way of thinking, I always believed that you were recognized for honours for actions above and beyond your normal duties/responsibilities.

As to sportsmen/celebrities, whilst training for a major event all the hours, sacrifices etc, is not the Gold medal/trophy etc your reward? Most Olympians are successful due the the hard work they put in. But they are also funded by substantial amounts of money to enable them to train and not work. Not all but most.

Thank you for that clarification Nutloose - I think I agree with you on the "slebs" getting Ks, particularly while they are still active.

So I guess you would approve of KCVOs and similar, which are awarded by HM herself, rather than by Call-me-Dave?

Totally depends on what for, though some appointments that are awarded I feel are just wrong, such as appointing Prescott a Lordship for being part of the failure of the Labour Party in power.

I doubt a lady of 80+ actually "selects" anyone for an honour - unless it is the Victorian order

She has no real knowledge of SO's and their performance - they just suggest each other

No-one - military, politics or civil service should get any honour just because they've been in the right post for a couple of years

The classic example is the Lord Mayor of London of course - he/she shells out a small fortune on banquets, meetings, conferences etc etc and at the end of his year in office gets a Knighthood at least

Theyu should just take the money up front TBH

Harry

... er ..... ... I refer the Hon Member to the remarks I made a few post ago.

I replied.