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condor17 10th Dec 2023 08:30

Turin , don't know about early turbines . But certainly modern ones do , taxy close up directly behind the jet pipe and you'll see a cherry red glow .
Memory fades as to whether it was behind a B737 with JT8s or CFM56s . The turbine is 'burning whilst 'turning at up to 800C or so these days .

rgds condor .

RetiredBA/BY 10th Dec 2023 08:45

No engine I have ever flown has torched as much as the Goblin on start up. On my first night start on a Vampire ( 8 FTS Swinderby, last course, 60 years ago !) it was truly amazing ! We knew it torched but was not particularly noticeable in daylight, but at night it could be quite spectacular , , just as shown in the trailer ! Dont know about a glow in flight, we never did night formation in the Vampire !
A really great story !

MightyGem 10th Dec 2023 11:32

The Canadian version is an abridged version. The full 5 part reading by Robert Powell can be found here:

If you can't see anything, click on "Quote"

hec7or 10th Dec 2023 19:32

Read the book as a teenager and I was based at West Raynham (where it was filmed), seeing the dilapidated OM made me shed a tear or two.

RetiredBA/BY 17th Dec 2023 16:02

Watched it this afternoon found it quite emotional having trained in Vampires, so long ago.,
Same uniforms, flying kit and the Vampire night start.
The west Raynham mess, now so sadly dilapidated, reminded me so much of Binbrook one of my last stations which hosted so beautifully, our wedding reception
Yes, there are a few technical errors but still a wonderful short story, not a single expletive or profanity just a good story, , so refreshing

bspatz 17th Dec 2023 16:51

I recall my father saying that they used to put an asbestos blanket on the tailplane of vampires during start up to prevent it burning.

Buster Hyman 18th Dec 2023 09:20


Originally Posted by RetiredBA/BY (Post 11558256)
... but still a wonderful short story...

Pretty much sums it up! :ok:

Innominate 19th Dec 2023 21:46


I've heard - but not seen, that there was an almost identical story - the Shepherd is also a ghostly Mosquito - published in "The Aeroplane" in 1954, It is called "A Christmas Story" by an R. Leach. Can anyone confirm/deny?
I found it this afternoon - published on 24 December 1954, pages 932 and 933. The story concerns an airliner flown (i.e. captained) by a former Mosquito pilot. Over the North Sea the radio fails after the radio officer reports "the whole of the South is clamped". After the Mosquito leads them to a safe landing the mess servant tells our pilot about a man for whom he was batman, who used to "hang around if there was anyone in trouble and help guide them back... Poor chap. Disappeared just ten years tonight. Never seen again."

The WIkipedia page for the book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shepherd says "Many have speculated references to preexisting RAF folklore. While Forsyth is a former RAF pilot and could have heard and adapted such a story (either with or without the intent to do so) no references or anecdotal evidence have been put forward to support such claims."

skua 20th Dec 2023 07:50

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....17947c0b96.jpg
West Raynham last week. Atmospheric (if you disregard the solar panels). There is a board saying "Caution - Active Runway" - which seems a tad optimistic.

Downwind.Maddl-Land 20th Dec 2023 08:14

No mention up-thread of the "Darkie" system that rendered assistance to a myriad of distressed aircraft over the war years and could be considered the precursor of the modern Distress and Diversion Cell. Which system was in use during the timeframe of the subject story, I don't know; but of course Darkie required at least a serviceable receiver. (I do recall - as a Plt Off ATCO - after making some (well deserved, actually!) off-hand and facetious remark to a senior Flt Lt to "get back on the tube and look for aeroplanes flying right-handed triangles!"........)

MightyGem 25th Dec 2023 07:48

Played it at a family gathering last night. Suffice to say it crashed and burned.

“How long did you say this lasts?”
”What was all that about?”
”Well I suppose you have to be a pilot to appreciate it”

Philistines.

RetiredBA/BY 25th Dec 2023 16:00


Originally Posted by MightyGem (Post 11562064)
Played it at a family gathering last night. Suffice to say it crashed and burned.

“How long did you say this lasts?”
”What was all that about?”
”Well I suppose you have to be a pilot to appreciate it”

Philistines.

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MightyGem 25th Dec 2023 22:05


Originally Posted by RetiredBA/BY (Post 11562190)
…..
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Philistine:
A person deficient in liberal culture and refinement; one without appreciation of the nobler aspirations and sentiments of humanity; one whose scope is limited to selfish and material interests.

PICKS135 26th Dec 2023 15:35

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....21702fd4d3.jpg
Lovely sight in daylight. Leuchars 2013

Dr Jekyll 27th Dec 2023 13:17

Was it really that difficult to bale out of a single seat Vampire?


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