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Courtney,

We appear to agree. The BVR defeat is actually as simple as 'not going to the cue point'. (Well...it's far from simple but...it's red wine o'clock so AWI ground school can wait!)

As we have both said, in the WVR arena you might as well have a go at defeating the weapon. You never know, a combination of well timed and executed manoeuvres with as many counter measures as possible might just work. But I suspect that the maths is against you.

That said - if you ever, ever give up then you simply weren't listening at the brief.

Cheers all,

Orca.

Yes Courtney, you raised some interesting issues there re lower altitude performances, the question is [esp with today's technology developments] is how smart do you make a missile, the obvious [and long standing] issue being it only takes a one step improvement/development/tactical change and your throwing bricks around. :8

I see there are some bold claims being made for the K77-M.
New Russian Air-to-Air Missiles Will Field Almost Perfect Accuracy | The Diplomat
This thing will apparently have an AESA seeker head.

Of interest ,particularly with what is available today, what is the chances of defeating two missiles

Are there any decoy missiles specifically designed so that an attacker can launch it ahead into the path of an incoming air-to-air missile?

Towed decoys are supposed to deal with that, the typhoon ones are supposed to be pretty advanced, so are the Super Hornet's ALE 55's
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...-Watson/24.jpg

Which begs the question, what is the importance of first shot if it can't guarantee first kill, certainly against very agile; performant fighters that have excellent (RW)receivers and things like advanced (towed)decoys ?
The stealthy(ish) but heavy F35 with its meager 2+2(AIM120+AIM9) A2A missiles is a rather anaemic air superiority fighter certainly compared with the likes of F22, EF, RAFALE and F15, all with much more missiles and better kinematic performance.

Some OODA Loopian Sanity from a CANUKozian

THE CANADIAN AIR FORCE JOURNAL | FALL 2010 • Vol. 3, No. 4
You have to be MENTAL to be a Fighter Pilot Lieutenant-Colonel Brian Murray, CD

Quote:

“...This article describes the amount and types of information fighter pilots are exposed to during a mission, how the information is processed in the pilot’s bucket, the effects of stress on the pilot’s cognitive performance, and the ways in which information processing and cognitive performance can be improved through training....

...Conclusion
Fighter pilots enjoy the challenge of fighter aviation. Those challenges include attaining and maintaining the ability to operate at a high level of cognitive capacity and efficiency under adverse and dynamic physical conditions. The information processing demands on a fighter pilot have a direct impact on the pilot’s performance, and the man-machine weapon system’s ability to accomplish the mission. A huge amount of information must be correctly sensed, perceived, considered, and applied by the pilot continuously throughout a mission. The pilot must be sufficiently trained to complete his required mission & aircraft-control tasks while countering the potential performance degrading effects of stress. Advances in equipment and displays may simplify and streamline the presentation of information to pilots, but they will always be responsible for the use of that information in flight. The fighter pilot must strive to have the biggest, most efficient cognitive bucket possible, and the training to minimize the attention resource robbing effects of stress.
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Lieutenant-Colonel Brian “Mur” Murray has completed operational tours on the CH136 Kiowa and CF18 Hornet, accumulating over 4000 hours of helicopter and fighter flying time since joining the Canadian Forces in 1985. His career highlights include deploying to Italy in 1999 for Operation ALLIED FORCE, and acting as officer in charge of the Fighter Weapons Instructor Course in 2000 and 2001, deputy commanding officer of 410 Tactical Fighter (Operation Training) Squadron in 2002 and 4 Wing Cold Lake Standards Officer in 2003. In 2009, after completing a tour as the Analysis and Lessons Learned Branch Head in the Canadian Forces Aerospace Warfare Centre, Lieutenant-Colonel Murray became the Canadian Forces Liaison Officer to the Royal Australian Air Force Air Power Development Centre in Canberra, Australia.”

http://publications.gc.ca/collection...13-3-4-eng.pdf (3.4Mb)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...m.gif~original

Mechta,
This is a developing technology to compliment/replace TRDs BriteCloud

Boyd would have liked them I expect as they seem flexible, lightweight and cheap.....

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Originally Posted by kbrok

Which begs the question, what is the importance of first shot if it can't guarantee first kill, certainly against very agile; performant fighters that have excellent (RW)receivers and things like advanced (towed)decoys ?
The stealthy(ish) but heavy F35 with its meager 2+2(AIM120+AIM9) A2A missiles is a rather anaemic air superiority fighter certainly compared with the likes of F22, EF, RAFALE and F15, all with much more missiles and better kinematic performance.

Hammer, nail, head, kbrok. And that is why it's not a replacement for even 4/4.5 gen fighters (by which I mean air-to-air) and why there is more to the new Japanese idea to replace F-15J with F-35 than meets the eye.