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NutLoose 9th Nov 2013 16:36

It was still head and shoulders above the norm.




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diesel addict 9th Nov 2013 16:36

Fed up with the totally unneccessary too-far-in-the-foreground music.

When are we going to get some presenters who do not act ( and sometimes sound like ) hysterical puppies.

Feeling unusually generous - 4 / 10

Perhaps try the next instalment with the sound muted out.

langleybaston 9th Nov 2013 19:27

I loved it, having been a schoolboy on the south coast in the 1950s.
Spotter's paradise, the location and the time.
And the programme too.

WIWAMM

When I Was A Met Man of course.

clicker 9th Nov 2013 19:43

When I Was A Met Man
 
Forerunner of "When I was a rich man"?

Pontius Navigator 9th Nov 2013 19:56

Nutloose, agree.

Diesel Addict, it had sound? :) Apart from the presenter prattling on, bring back the likes of Raymond Baxter, any music passed right by me.

Cornish Jack 9th Nov 2013 20:03

How odd!! - did nobody else catch the instances given of the Septics doing their best to cause problems for an ally's aero-industry which had helpfully provided them with early gas turbine experimental and manufactured products?? :mad: Perhaps I was watching something else - it does happen occasionally nowadays:sad:

langleybaston 9th Nov 2013 20:21

comfortable, comfortable only.

HOVE! from whence I spotted doodlebugs, mosquitos, spitfires, typhoons, tempests, the D-day halifax and Stirling tugs with gliders [and Albemarle?] the Wyvern, Princess, Brabazon, Hunter, Swift and a hundred others. And a bike ride to Miles Aviation at Shoreham Airport.

Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very heaven!--Oh! times .........

barnstormer1968 9th Nov 2013 20:50

Instances?

I suppose its a bit like breathing. We get so used to it that we don't even notice after a while.

Comet, don't export it, but we will export the 707 (were that type of engine used on a long range bomber?)

Concorde, too loud for us. But we will build something bigger and faster (but failed)

There is another contender, but I'm not brave enough the mention THAT aircraft.

nimbev 9th Nov 2013 21:46

Viprods


U-2 Pilots from 1955 to 2000
Test Pilots = 15
CIA Pilots = 30
RAF Pilots = 15
CAF Pilots = 29
USAF Pilots= 645
Total = 734
NASA Ames had U2s in the 70/80s flown by their own pilots. Some of them were retired USAF, dont know about all of them. They got a lot of publicity and TV face time when Mt St Helens blew in 1980 and they were flying data gathering sorties. I lived on extended finals and the U2s would come whispering low over the house. Happy Days!

clicker 9th Nov 2013 22:04

langleybaston,

Shoreham Airport, nice place but I would loved to have seen the place when it was at it's peak. Only been down here for the last 10 years or so.

My mother hated doodlebugs but when living in South London at the age of 12 I can understand that. She did tell me that one dropped a couple of hundred yards behind the house on the other side of the road but her only memory of it was seeing the owners grandfather clock upright on the footpath near the gate after being blown though the front door still in a reasonable state.

Would liked to have seen the aircraft going off to the invasion and I understand the Operation Market Garden fleet passed near there as well and was a sight to behold.

Not too far away around Rottingdean and Falmer was a tank training area. Quite often when working for the Police I took calls of UXB's which were often inert training rounds but so discoloured and rusty they had to be treated as real.

NutLoose 9th Nov 2013 22:23

They (Classic Airforce) shot the JP footage themselves from a PA 28 and presented it to the BBC, suprised no ones mentioned the pins still in on the face blinds, I suppose the seats must be inert on it.

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charliegolf 9th Nov 2013 22:40


As I feared the footage accompanying the program was inappropriate
I thought I spotted John Atkinson of 33 and 230 vintage in the test pilot segment, who certainly flew jets in his yoof. But he wasn't a test pilot as I recall.

CG

clicker 9th Nov 2013 22:41

nimbev,

Mt St Helens caused some grief for the company I worked for at the time (Transamerica Airlines) although glad to say HQ dealt with that area, we at Gatwick dealt with Europe and the Middle East.

One of our L-382's took off from Mcloud AFB and within 15-20 mins had lost two engines and suffered "sand blasting" effects on the leading edges and windscreen. They landed back at Mcloud within 10 mins and of the other two engines one needed to be replaced as well.

Pontius Navigator 10th Nov 2013 07:21


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 8143852)
They (Classic Airforce) shot the JP footage themselves from a PA 28 and presented it to the BBC, suprised no ones mentioned the pins still in on the face blinds, I suppose the seats must be inert on it.

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I looked.

Visor covers too!

thunderbird7 10th Nov 2013 09:22

Well I thoroughly enjoyed it. James Holland always comes across as a historian who is an aviation enthusiast rather than just another journo who has no affinity with the subject. I look forward to part 2.

(I particularly enjoyed the posh old biddy who 'rushed inside' to tell everyone she had seen an aeroplane without a propellor!)

MAINJAFAD 10th Nov 2013 10:02


I suppose the seats must be inert on it
If you look closely at the footage of the JP front end, the bang seat triangle cleary has Inert written on it.

A very good programme in my view as it had at least one item in it that I wasn't aware of in the US trying to stop the export of the Comet (and I could have written most of the script for it off the top of my head). However having researched the Files at kew about the export of Bloodhound to the Swedes and Swiss, I was aware that the US tried to stop the export of the Mk 2 to the Swiss on technical transfer grounds. The guys at the FCO were quite clear in the documents that it was purely sour grapes on the part the Septics seeing that they had already cleared the Swedish deal.

Pontius Navigator 10th Nov 2013 11:52


Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD (Post 8144437)
researched the Files at kew about the export of Bloodhound to the Swedes and Swiss, I was aware that the US tried to stop the export of the Mk 2 to the Swiss on technical transfer grounds. The guys at the FCO were quite clear in the documents that it was purely sour grapes on the part the Septics seeing that they had already cleared the Swedish deal.

I wonder.

Prior to the V-force switching to low level I saw maps with eastbound routing over France, Switzerland and Austria. Post the switch to low level the routing was over Sweden.

Agaricus bisporus 10th Nov 2013 14:01

Rosevidney, you ask "why?".

Probably because journalists tend to come in just one flavour; sloppy and sour - the difference between the BBC and the appalling grauniad is thus pretty small.

spekesoftly 10th Nov 2013 14:08


If you look closely at the footage of the JP front end, the bang seat triangle cleary has Inert written on it.
I could clearly see the Inert sign on the Vampire that was shown some minutes later, but not on the JP which appeared to have no red triangle.

VIProds 10th Nov 2013 14:08

Good point nimbev, I was given a list of names & ranks of military pilots plus the Lockheed test pilots that flew the U-2, from a SR-71 pilot. So presumably the NASA pilots had not been included on that list.


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