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hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 18:41

Why is it, when the Americans become involved in anything, it always goes to hell in a handbasket?

Personally, I think they eat too much popcorn. It's bad for the bowels.

Lonewolf_50 3rd Sep 2013 18:46


Originally Posted by hanoijane (Post 8028575)
Why is it, when the Americans become involved in anything, it always goes to hell in a handbasket? Personally, I think they eat too much popcorn. It's bad for the bowels.

Methinks you misread the news. It was John Bull and Johnny Turk who have embarked upon handbasket travel.

Details remain unclear, but informed sources said the Typhoons, which are part of a total of six aircraft sent to the RAF Akrotiri airbase for possible actions against Syria, flew over the Turkish occupied part of Cyprus to intercept unidentified planes.

According to reports, Turkey sent two F-16 fighters to intercept the British planes claiming they violated the airspace over the occupied part of Cyprus.
You can't make this stuff up. Peter Sellers, wherever you are, I have an inkling that you are writing this script. :cool:

As to popcorn, I long ago switched to tortilla chips and salsa.

Airborne Aircrew 3rd Sep 2013 19:07

Broadsword:


What has happened in Damascus is a challenge to our humanity.
What is it with you liberals and "humanity"... Your stupid "humanity" has caused millions and millions of deaths of humans since time began, perhaps billions. Quit trying to pretend you actually care so you can have some feeling of moral superiority, you don't. You are weak minded and weak willed. You'll sit there saying "something must be done" comfortable in the knowledge that it will be someone else getting off their arse and placing that arese in danger while you sit on yours watching them on the telly. In fact, you are the kind of "humanity" that the smarter of us fear the most. If you feel such moral outrage why don't you get together with all your left leaning friends that feel the need to "do something" and send a strongly worded letter to Assad. When that falls flat on it's stupid face you can all book tickets to Damascus via the USA and we'll give you the guns you need as you pass through... :ugh:

hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 19:10

What is it with you liberals and "humanity"... Your stupid "humanity" has caused millions and millions of deaths of humans since time began, perhaps billions. Quit trying to pretend you actually care so you can have some feeling of moral superiority, you don't. You are weak minded and weak willed. You'll sit there saying "something must be done" comfortable in the knowledge that it will be someone else getting off their arse and placing that arese in danger while you sit on yours watching them on the telly. In fact, you are the kind of "humanity" that the smarter of us fear the most. If you feel such moral outrage why don't you get together with all your left leaning friends that feel the need to "do something" and send a strongly worded letter to Assad. When that falls flat on it's stupid face you can all book tickets to Damascus via the USA and we'll give you the guns you need as you pass through...

See? He's eaten Popcorn. The tummy cramps make you angry and irrational.

Broadsword*** 3rd Sep 2013 19:57


Why is it, when the Americans become involved in anything, it always goes to hell in a handbasket?

Personally, I think they eat too much popcorn. It's bad for the bowels.
Oh dear, I laughed so hard at this I think I may have just shat myself.

Lonewolf_50 3rd Sep 2013 20:17


Originally Posted by Broadsword*** (Post 8028699)
Oh dear, I laughed so hard at this I think I may have just shat myself.

Might want to lay off the popcorn, then, as it's fairly high in roughage. :eek:

Airborne Aircrew 3rd Sep 2013 20:20


Oh dear, I laughed so hard at this I think I may have just shat myself
That's probably the only exercise your arse gets...

hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 20:30

You ate another packet, didn't you?

Roland Pulfrew 3rd Sep 2013 20:36

Airborne Aircrew

Well said. :D:D

I note that some 300 Egyptians died recent clashes or, depending upon preferred reporting, somewhere between a fifth and the same number of casualties as the latest Syrian "chemical" attack and what has the west done about that? Cancelled an exercise. Issued some hard words. But otherwise, ignored it.

Why should we be getting involved in a civil war, where the bad guys are probably worse than the status quo, where some chemical weapons may (or may not) have been used, by a country that, as far as I know, is not a signatory to the chemical weapons ban (so arguably has not broken "international law")? And the West decides we are going to seek to punish the regime in favour of the FSA (Al Qaida). :ugh::ugh:

The bleeding heart liberals have backed the wrong side - again!

Airborne Aircrew 3rd Sep 2013 20:36

Hanoi:

I'm English, I don't eat popcorn. Keep up or shut up... ;)

hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 20:40

I know you're English. I read the fishy thread.

But if you're English, and you don't like popcorn, why so grumpy?

500N 3rd Sep 2013 20:43

HanoiJane

If you think that is grumpy, you are in for a shock.

Wait until he really gets grumpy :O

hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 20:45

It's OK, 500N. Houses on lakes don't drive me into a envious rage.

Airborne Aircrew 3rd Sep 2013 20:48

Danny Boy calling Broadsword, Danny Boy calling Broadsword, Come in Broadsword...


Oh dear, I laughed so hard at this I think I may have just shat myself.
Nice to see you can drop in to make jokes but actual discussion of reality and your ill conceived, uneducated, weak thought processes seems to be something you avoid... It says a lot about you as a person... :ok:

Hanoi:

I'm grumpy because I'm fed up of spineless, stupid, egotists sending good men and women into harms way to make them feel that their worthless life isn't just a sojourn into the nether regions of the cesspool....

Lonewolf_50 3rd Sep 2013 20:50

AA, two thoughts:
1. Don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel. :E

2. What President Obama proposes doesn't put a lot of people into harms way. It mostly blows a few things up to send a message, and then ... well, look at how Clintonian diplomacy via Tomahawk with Iraq worked out.

Not much changed.

I don't see boots on ground in Syria any time soon.

Here's a thought:

What if the intent is one of those Rummy-style decapitation strikes? As Reagan tried with the Mad Colonel in Libya, and it didn't quite go off as planned, President Obama may be trying to set up a brief rain of high explosives that, when the dust clears, finds B Assad in a body bag.

Given his hunger for the surgical strike and drone warfare for the past five years, the TLAMs may be a red herring, as would be the SEAD effort in support of them, while a few Reapers or Preds drop by for a present delivered in their usual way.

That would send a message of a completely different sort than we are used to seeing. No idea if such a COA is what's on tap, but it would be different than the same old same old ... and we would have, of course, done Al Q in Syria's dirty work for them. :mad: That's the part I am very much not happy about, in all this talk about taking Assad down.

Who do you think follows that asshole?

500N 3rd Sep 2013 20:52

AA

You forgot something at the end of this sentance.

"I'm grumpy because I'm fed up of spineless, stupid, egotists sending good men and women into harms way to make them feel that their worthless life isn't just a sojourn into the nether regions of the cesspool...."


... with one hand tied behind their back, ROE that are fcuking stupid and
hinder them achieving the mission at the same time as getting them killed !

hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 20:54

I'm grumpy because I'm fed up of spineless, stupid, egotists sending good men and women into harms way to make them feel that their worthless life isn't just a sojourn into the nether regions of the cesspool....

Sometimes life sucks. Get used to it.

Broadsword*** 3rd Sep 2013 20:59


Quote:
What has happened in Damascus is a challenge to our humanity.

What is it with you liberals and "humanity"... Your stupid "humanity" has caused millions and millions of deaths of humans since time began, perhaps billions. Quit trying to pretend you actually care so you can have some feeling of moral superiority, you don't. You are weak minded and weak willed. You'll sit there saying "something must be done" comfortable in the knowledge that it will be someone else getting off their arse and placing that arese in danger while you sit on yours watching them on the telly. In fact, you are the kind of "humanity" that the smarter of us fear the most. If you feel such moral outrage why don't you get together with all your left leaning friends that feel the need to "do something" and send a strongly worded letter to Assad. When that falls flat on it's stupid face you can all book tickets to Damascus via the USA and we'll give you the guns you need as you pass through...
As I made pretty clear, the quote is not mine, it is Lord (Paddy) Ashdown's, but I am very happy to be associated with it.

Here is part of his biog:

Ashdown passed the naval scholarship examination to pay for his school fees, but left before taking A-levels and joined the Royal Marines in 1959. He served in Borneo during the Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation and the Persian Gulf before training as a Swimmer Canoeist in 1965, after which he joined the elite Special Boat Section (which became the Special Boat Service in the 1980s) and commanded a Section in the Far East. He then went to Hong Kong in 1967 to undertake a full-time interpreter's course in Chinese and returned to Britain in 1970 when he was given command of a Commando Company in Belfast.

I cannot claim as distinguished a military career as his, but I certainly did my bit for over 25 years and in a few hot and sandy places. So, before you start accusing anyone of being 'weak minded and weak willed', you might want to get your head out of your arse.

high spirits 3rd Sep 2013 21:00

Where were the 'I want military action because i have such a strong moral compass' brigade when a million people were killed in Rwanda in the nineties.......

Doesn't stack up to me. Either human life matters, or it doesn't.

hanoijane 3rd Sep 2013 21:06

Couldn't agree more, high spirits.

And doing anything which conceivably help AQ after everything that's gone on post 9/11 isn't just ironic, it's moronic.


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