Dumb arses and guns...
 

Remember this for your annual pistol shoot on CCS!

A few folks need a firearms safety course, it appears to me.

One of my favourites.

Wife Gun Prank - YouTube

I guess this thread is for US citizens. The rest of the world just doesn't understand why they have guns anyway ;)

You like being subjects or slaves?
Yeah. We have a few dumb citizens.

keesje : +1 ;)

hillberg: :eek:

I'm with Hillberg.

In the end, all power comes from the barrel of a gun. I, for one, do not trust any government to have that absolute power over it's citizens.

To quote some guy called George Washington:

""Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."

As Mao Tse-tung said, "political power emanates from the barrel of a gun".

And the potential for anarchy on the streets,

But let the citizens decide by right of firearms that they don't like the way their neighbour said 'good morning'?

Stupid, stupid, stupid in my not so humble opinion

A civilized society, a democracy requires that its' citizens abide by rights and responsibilities.
Allowing citizens to carry/own/abuse weapons is a failure by both the populous and government.

Stupid?.......perhaps not.
 

Up untill a few years back I would have dismissed the attitude tha Hillburg takes as being a relic from the days of the American war of independent with no place in modern society.

And then came the TSA & in the UK airport security, two organizations set up with the best of intentions but with a total lack of oversight and control, I find myself regularly abused by operatives of these organizations who have been allowed to function without the proper checks and balances that the police have apon them. These organizations are self perpetuating as they ramp up the security paranoia if threatened and to increase their income.

Hopefully these organizations will become subject to the usual democratic restrictions soon, there is a UK govenment report underway on the UK airport security industry that is likely to mandate proper oversight of the industry.

If the security industry is not properly regulated then I suspect the justification for gun ownership on the political grounds Hilburg quotes will have further justification as other elements in society use the security issue as a cover for reducing the people's democratic rights.

The security industry is just the thin end of the wedge and if we don't want to be oppressed by various quasi governmental organizations using security as a justification for doing what the hell they like we have put in place proper legislation otherwise eventually it will only be the nutter with the guns who will be able to do anything about the problem........god forbid !

Back to the start of the thread. Stay safe out there boys and girls with the new Glock...

BBC News - Glock 17 9mm pistols replace Browning for UK forces

Anyone know why we chose this over the Sig-Sauer?

Cost? Usually is.





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keesje said "I guess this thread is for US citizens."

I'm not sure why (although, I'm, at least partly, in agreement with the remainder of his post) as about half the protagonists appeared to me to be Arabic.

Duncs:ok:

17.9mm pistol??? that would blow your hand off. Try 7.9mm

FED,

The next UK military 9mm pistol is going to be the Glock 17.

Duncs:ok:

A quick google (other search engines are available) indicates that a 4th generation Glock 17 costs iro £360 ($580). If 25000 of us went to the shop and bought one, it would cost £9mil. Looks like we've got a bargain - 25k of them at the going rate - well done the MOD.

Duncs:ok:

Only in uncivilised countries.

A & C
I'm not sure I see the connection. Is the suggestion that the next time I find security at LHR inefficient and obstructive, I should show them a firearm, or what?

I like guns myself, but the idea that gun ownership is the solution to political problems ends in Somalia or Syria or the NW of Pakistan.

But we get a free holster thrown in. :ok: :rolleyes:

It's a good look.

http://www.olliewoods.com/IMAGES/POR...n_bandit_1.jpg