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The B Word 8th Jan 2013 17:56

Tucano at LOO - no steps required!
 
I understand that ZF349 landed wheels up at Linton earlier today. The rumour is that it was an engine failure followed by a forced landing. Also, the good news is that I hear that the aircrew walked away - no steps required! :ok:

They shut the spotters enclosure after asking them for their footage! :}

NutLoose 8th Jan 2013 20:09

Pictures

ZF349 crash pictures • FighterControl • Military Aviation Forum

Corporal Clott 8th Jan 2013 20:21

Allegedly, one woman driver...

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps8492a427.jpg

...bloody good skills :D:D:D

Mach the Knife 8th Jan 2013 21:09

Hmmm? 4 bent props and no gear on an aircraft with a blow down system. SI report should be an interesting read.

NutLoose 8th Jan 2013 21:50

Depends on a lot of things really such as what height you're at when the engine failed, engine wasn't under power as the blades are bent back.

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 8th Jan 2013 22:51

OK, they are bent back (all 4) more than they are bent radially but they don't look too featheared to me either.

NutLoose 8th Jan 2013 22:58

Engine under power they bend forwards.

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 8th Jan 2013 23:10

OK, fair point.

Here's a Harvard that let down at Church Lawford with wheels up. One blade forward and one back. http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps8ee279e2.jpg

Al R 9th Jan 2013 00:51

That link shows one fot of the the aeroplane resting on the grass but another, with the nose over a metal surface. ??

'Well done' to whoever bought it back.

NutLoose 9th Jan 2013 01:16

They tend to go forward as the prop under power bends fwd rather like the cone effect in a helicopter rotor as it lifts off, so when it strikes it bends fwd, without power on the prop isn't bending fwd , so bends aft. :)

The blades bent both directions I could understand as the strike would in effect momentarily stop the prop and would offload the blades

Trojan1981 9th Jan 2013 01:37

Looks repairable and they walked away - well done :D

Bob Viking 9th Jan 2013 02:14

Tucano at LOO - no steps required!
 
I'm no Air Crash Investigator but with my limited knowledge of the tin can (it's been a while) I would suggest that, since the blades aren't feathered, the engine was either under power or shut down but without the engine emergency shut down lever being selected (unlikely). As you can imagine in the latter case it would glide like a house brick.
Of course I may be wrong and I bow to your superior knowledge of post crash propeller habits.
Regardless of everything I have just said it looks like they did a bloody good job in the circumstances.
BV

airpolice 9th Jan 2013 06:30

Looks like a bargain to be had here.
 
For Sale, as is, where is:

One Tucano Aircraft.

One careful owner, three hundred and forty six not so careful drivers, apply to OC Eng, RAF Linton-on-Ouse.

Buster Hyman 9th Jan 2013 07:18

Now THAT's TFR!!!

Farfrompuken 9th Jan 2013 08:02

Well the flap position vs blade angle can at least rule out the dreaded EESDL/Flap lever coggie!

Good to hear all okay. Chances are it'll fly as the T.Mk2 when they get converted; they're actually much stronger frames than people give then credit for.

Stuart Sutcliffe 9th Jan 2013 12:31

No worries, it will buff out! :p

Fox Four 9th Jan 2013 13:06

The comment I was waiting for! Took a while today.....

Easy Street 11th Feb 2014 21:46

The SI report was released alongside the Red Arrows ejection report and has evidently been missed in the rush. Some forthright comment from the Convening Authority regarding the wisdom of conducting engine airtests with a 1200ft cloudbase, and notably a direct statement of DE&S airworthiness failures. Unleash the fury:

Service Inquiry report into the accident involving Tucano ZF349 on 8 January 2013 at RAF Linton-on-Ouse

Wander00 12th Feb 2014 06:36

Glad all safe, but odd how all the pics on both fora have been removed.......Black Omega on the drive (Well, Citroen cos I am in France)

Dan Winterland 12th Feb 2014 11:35

Interesting. Twenty years ago, the min safe altitude for conducting engine air tests was 2500ft - not 2000ft as stated in the report. This was probably a legacy requirement from the JP which had a Hi Key of 2500ft. I did many, and one involved a failure in very similar circumstances - but with a happier outcome. The report also claims that EEC manual checks weren't part of the air test schedule. Again, I disagree - in similar circumstances!

Seems we don't learn!


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