just:). What was the pull-out height and g...............................?:eek:

To which "pussy cat" do you refer BOAC?

The Jaguar certainly did not!:E:E:E:E:E

A similar fun shoot was multiple SNEB pods, using the 116s that were supposed to jettison automatically when fired out. I've done it with 4 pods, flying out of a field site in Germany. The take-off calculation was interesting with big trees at the end of the strip, and 1 of the 4 jets had an outboard hangup that he had to bring back for a VL.

I also saw the aftermath of perhaps the only Harrier 6-pod shoot (using twin-store carriers), which showed that there was a high probability of self damage with so much debris flying about, especially the frangible nose cones.

ailerons Wholi.....ailerons...????

WTFO?

Surely the words "I have control" would have been more appropriate?

- no, I too am a firm believer in a convincing demonstration where altitude permits:)

The point I am making is that vague and ambiguous words of instruction leading to potentially dangerous simultaneous control inputs are pretty poor instructional technique.

The sort of thing which many of us had to endure in the 1970s.

Some 'instructors' might scoff at CFS standards of phraseology, but they were developed through bitter experience for all levels of flight instruction.

Oh - and the expression is 'control column', not 'stick'..... OO

You're getting sensitive in yer old age Beags.

For those of you who were not qualified on the Jaguar, and with reference to Wholis' comment, the Jaguar did not have ailerons.

edit: mind you Beags, I totally agree with you - one did not p*** about with the Jaguar. Just like its' animal namesake, its' bite was hard and too often fatal.

Which is wholly different to your original comment, Wholi'! All now makes sense, sorry to have doubted you.

If the JP was indeed manipulating the controls during your demo, after your interesting 30 sec of recovery, I imagine that he was 'significantly rebriefed' about the IHC / YHC code?

Anyway, thanks for the clarification. Having some tw@t doing his best to kill you despite the brief can't have been much fun!

I can only recall one personal instance of 'who has control'? During my first ever formation ride in a Hawk during a refresher course, my QFI took control to demo something. A few seconds later, he exclaimed "WTF are you doing?" as we closed rather alarmingly on the leader. "Nothing", I said, "I'm not flying it!". An abject apology followed as the realisation dawned and we had a beer in the pub later.

During my training days, a 'who has control' incident a mate had in a Chipmunk on final had the runway caravan mate running off in fear of his life...:uhoh: But I won't elaborate further - let's get back to some good WIWOL tales!

I was at Colt in 75 when they lost 2 in a week during their first major exercise over their targets evading. :sad:

ORAC

Me too - I remember one accident which saw the loss of a fellow singly but I can't recall the second despite the fact I ought to with two occurring? Maybe you could PM please we may well know each other!

Hey guys! This thread has been fun. Please don't turn it into a QFI rant about the correct language to use when letting a JP make a horlics of things!!:=:=:=

I note that there are no "computer drivers of civvie crap" on here.

That's why I removed my posts newt.

Supposed to be a jolly banter thread, where you don't necessarily have to write the exact words used 30 odd years ago, but rather you write it so that people can enjoy the fun involved, instead of having to "virtually" wade through the equivalent of yet another straight and level fekkin' phase brief.

Can't be ar$ed to deal with that s**t or respond any more.

Anyway, Happy Christmas to one and all.

....and you mate. Cheers.

Why don't we start a new thread along the lines of - "what's the definition of a real aeroplane" to bait the civvie computer drivers.

First answer - it has a trigger.

And, preferably, only one seat. Some exceptions may be made to have 2 seats if people ask nicely. ;)

- hang on there! Let's see the colour of their money first?

......NATO exercise Teamwork 76 saw the loss of two more Jaguars and their pilots. On September 15th 1976 GR.1 XX735 from No 6 Squadron crashed near Eggebek, West Germany, killing Flt Lt G L Sheppard. Two days later GR.1 XX120 from No 54 Squadron crashed into the Kattegat off Samsoe Island, Denmark, killing Flt Lt P S West.

Agreed.......:ok:

I always thought the Jaguar had two seats from the outset? Silly me --

Merry Cringe