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500N 30th Nov 2012 22:00

Some interesting comments re UAV's / Drones
 
An interesting article. Would be interested to know if all is true.

The first crash described sounds like a comedy of errors.

"inexperienced military contractor flying a Predator " he yanked the wrong lever at his console, killing the engine without realizing why."


Drone crashes mount at civilian airports overseas - The Washington Post

Warmtoast 30th Nov 2012 23:01

I reckon he wasn't dressed for the job:

operating by remote control in shorts and a T-shirt from a trailer

Temp Spike 1st Dec 2012 04:22

The Air Force complains here about two over priced UAV's crashed by a civilian in the past six months but how many F-22's have the Air Force crashed in six months? That's why they build UAVs in the first place, because they are cheap and nobody dies when they crash.

The Air Force should concentrate on the over-pricing problem caused by General Atomics, IMO.

5 Forward 6 Back 1st Dec 2012 17:40

Anyone who flew a Tucano knows the risks of having 2 very similar levers close to each other, one that you use routinely in the circuit (the flap lever) and one that you don't want to touch at all (the engine shutdown lever!).

There are some well-noted ergonomic issues with the Predator/Reaper GCS, and people make mistakes!

SilsoeSid 1st Dec 2012 17:58

Heater, HP Cock ... oops!

Best put a guard on one of those :ok:

BEagle 1st Dec 2012 18:00


Anyone who flew a Tucano knows the risks of having 2 very similar levers close to each other...
Before my time, but surely that was a lesson which was learned from the Vampire with its essentially similar flap and undercarriage selectors? Not a problem in the JP, Gnat, Hunter or Hawk though......:\

L J R 2nd Dec 2012 03:20

So there appears to be some acknowledgement that Remotely Piloted Aircraft (RPA)'s should be flown by Pilots....

SpazSinbad 2nd Dec 2012 04:57

BEagle said: "...Before my time, but surely that was a lesson which was learned from the Vampire with its essentially similar flap and undercarriage selectors? Not a problem in the JP, Gnat, Hunter or Hawk though......http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/wibble.gif "

In RAN service switching between Venom to Vampire and not paying attention to the HP cock and SB lever could be embarrassing or fatal depending on circumstances. Reason: these actuators reversed in aircraft. Always best to use fist to bang down on the Vamp SB lever and THINK TWICE before using the lever inside the throttle of the Vampire to actuate the S/Bs [Sea Venom method] when in fact youse are putting the HP Fuel to OFF! What masterpieces of cockpit design! 724 Sqdn Linebook page tells a story.

CLICK thumbnail for big pic: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...nfusionSBs.jpg

Temp Spike 2nd Dec 2012 05:31

Oh for heavens sake. Put the engine off in the squat switch circuit with a separate CB. problem solved.

SpazSinbad 2nd Dec 2012 05:41

Yeah - if only. The 'squat switch' was like the 'golden rivet'. Nice that the A4G had a squat switch but.

Temp Spike 2nd Dec 2012 08:15

All folding gear airplanes have squat switches. You just have to make them
work Consistently. If they don’t you modify it, alter or redesign it till it does.

SpazSinbad 2nd Dec 2012 10:05

And yet there is no 'squat switch' in a Vampire. Perhaps I left out the 'unreliable' part but probably the proper name will suffice: 'micro-switch located at the port torque links'. No 'squat switch' there. Anyway we learnt to live with this anomaly but suffered (almost) the odd incident as outlined. Smart arses were always easy to deal with.

ARINC 2nd Dec 2012 15:38

A bit tricky to relight inflight.... if you need the squat switch in circuit.....?


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