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ORAC 4th Nov 2012 09:39

For interest, whilst Carrier patterns are generically left hand with the superstructure on the starboard, the Japanese did experiment with right hand pattern Carriers with the superstructure on the port. The idea being to allow 2 Carriers to operate in close formation with the patterns being separated.

Never really worked as proved confusing and they reverted to the norm.

Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū

http://www.carrierbuilders.net/galle...o-hiryu-01.JPG

Lordflasheart 4th Nov 2012 12:30

Orca – and BOAC quote ..........
Originally Posted by orca
If you chaps can think of a way to get a 40 plus thousand pound machine out of the wires and clear of the LA in 15 seconds I'm all ears


The machines didn't cost quite as much as £40k, in the days of the 15 second interval. :)

Spaz - That stuff of yours is fascinating – especially the T-45 pattern. I wonder how they guarantee picking up the "sight" - The rule of maintaining circuit height until you were on the "sight" - meant flying level round finals 400/450ft - intercepting the correct approach slope from below - VSI 500 fpm at the ninety – unless you were on the sight ? No thank you. With that RoD you might always be below .... still going on down.

The leapfrog - A common leapfrog for RN Carriers for peacetime training ops might have been " six on four" With serviceability as it was, by the end of the day you might be down to a limping three on two. I saw an apparently typical flypro posted on Saratoga's noticeboard during a Med cruise early sixties - their leapfrog was twenty-six on sixteen. Mind you they did have more than us to start with. I think they call that – "The ability to project power."

I have no idea what the desired landing interval needed to be, to recover twenty-six in one go, or whether they had some other scheme. The ship was anchored haf a mile off the beach at Canz Frantz that week, so we didn't actually see any flying. But they had A-3s armed up, on permanent deck alert all week while at anchor. LFH

orca 4th Nov 2012 14:18

The T-45 technique is taught using quite stringent downwind spacing to arrive at a visual turning cue (when you can see the white paint on the round down at the back of the ship) backed up by TACAN DME (when it starts going up again). The finals turn is taught as a rigid instrument turn with no 'peeking' to arrive on the ball.

4Greens 4th Nov 2012 17:27

I think the 40000 lb refers to weight not cost. The fifteen second figure is impossible. You have to pull off the power, raise the hook and taxi forward and the follow the marshaller.

SpazSinbad 4th Nov 2012 18:54

RAN A4G Carrier Circuit Similar to Sea Venom Initially
 
'Lordflasheart' some many years ago now when my work on the trashy virus filled PDFs (according to some on this forum) started I recalled that in 1970 initially our A4G / HMAS Melbourne circuits were at 400 feet with a level base turn. It was easy to pick up the mirror just before the 90 degree mark (half way round the turn more or less) and to fly the meatball during the turn for a quick finals. Then as I recall we used the NATOPS carrier circuit height (level initial and level downwind though) of 600 feet. Generic A4G NATOPS day circuit was 800 feet initial descending downwind to 600 feet as per the RF-4B diagram. The 1970 circuit was more like that of the Sea Venom when a tight circuit was SOP, while the change to 'NATOPSlike' circuit was from 1971 or thereabouts. I preferred the low circuit with the level base turn, the higher descending base turn was just sloppy IMHO. There was a transition from the 'old bolds' from the Sea Venom days to the new LSO enabled A4G NATOPS and eventually LSOs and NATOPS ruled. :rolleyes:

Reading the NATOPS (and other source) methods for modern day USN aircraft was a surprise (as mentioned by others) to see that the carrier day circuit is so heavily reliant on instruments (I guess much more accurate today) especially the first half of the descending base turn. The quick visual 400 feet early A4G carrier circuit was quick and efficient and a lot of fun.

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SpazSinbad 4th Nov 2012 19:48

Super Hornet NATOPS Carrier Circuit Method/Diagram
 
Text from Super Hornet F/A-18E/F NATOPS.

"...Enter the carrier landing pattern at 800 feet AGL (figure 8-2) with the hook down. Make a level break from a course parallel to the Base Recovery Course (BRC), close aboard to the starboard side of the ship. Below 250 KCAS lower the gear and flaps. The speedbrake function automatically retracts when the FLAP switch is moved to HALF or FULL. Descend to 600 feet AGL when established downwind and prior to the 180° position. Complete the landing checklist and crosscheck AOA and airspeed (136 KCAS at 44,000 lb GW minus 1.5 KCAS for each 1,000 lb decrease in GW).

NOTE
Flaps HALF or FULL may be used for landing provided the minimum
wind-over-deck (WOD) requirements of the Aircraft Recovery Bulletin
(ARB) are met. As WOD increases above 30 kt, handling qualities in
flaps HALF are slightly improved over flaps FULL and are
recommended to avoid "settle at the ramp" situations.

To assist in achieving the desired abeam distance of 1.1 to 1.3 nm: select the 10 nm scale on the HSI display, select ship’s TCN, and adjust the course line to the BRC. On downwind fly to place the wingtip of the HSI airplane symbol on the course line. Ensure the ground track pointer is on the exact reciprocal of the BRC. Select ILS if desired and available.

With 25-30 kt winds over deck begin the 180° turn to the final approach when approximately abeam the LSO platform or when the "white" of the round down becomes visible. Use an instrument scan from the 180 to the 90. Fly the pattern as described in the VFR Pattern and Approach section of Chapter 7. Adjust the 90 altitude up slightly to account for the height of the ship’s deck, usually 500 feet AGL versus 450 feet AGL. Target 360 feet crossing the wake. The rate of descent required to maintain glideslope may be slightly less than on FCLP approaches due to wind over deck. Expect slightly higher throttle settings. When the meatball is acquired, transmit “SIDE NUMBER, RHINO, BALL, (fuel state in thousands of pounds to the nearest 100 pound), AUTO” (if using ATC for approach) e.g. "206, RHINO, BALL, 7.5, Auto"...."

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TEXT/Diagram as mentioned above for 'VFR Pattern' below:

7.7.2 VFR Landing Pattern Entry. See figure 7-3. Typically, the VFR landing pattern can be entered through several methods: the break, downwind entry, VFR straight-in, or low approach/touch-and-go from a GCA. Regardless of the entry method, enter the pattern at the altitudes and airspeeds prescribed by local course rules.

A normal break is performed by executing a level turn to downwind with the throttles reduced to IDLE and the speedbrake function enabled (if required to reduce airspeed). The desired abeam distance is 1.0 to 1.3 nm. The g-level required to achieve the desired abeam distance will be a fallout of break airspeed.

As airspeed decelerates below 250 KCAS, lower the LDG GEAR handle and place the FLAP switch to FULL. If enabled, the speedbrake function will retract automatically when the FLAP switch is moved from the AUTO position. Continue to decelerate to on-speed AOA (8.1 deg). Longitudinal trim inputs are required with the flaps in HALF or FULL. The MI code for on-speed AOA is unit 14, address 15743, data 3300.

WARNING

In-flight Memory Inspect (MI) of FCC (UNIT 14 or 15) addresses (ADDR)
greater than six digits long is prohibited since it may cause all four FCC channels
to shut down which will result in loss of aircraft control.

With MC OFP H3E AND UP, the pitch trim AOA value is displayed on the HUD while trimming and for two seconds after trimming, and continuously on the FCS page with WoffW and flaps in HALF or FULL. The HUD value is displayed with or without ATC engaged but will not be displayed with autopilot engaged. If the autopilot is ″paddled off″ and AOA is greater than or equal to 6°, pitch trim is automatically set to on-speed. Trim the aircraft hands-off and on-speed. Compare airspeed and AOA. Onspeed AOA is approximately 136 KCAS at 44,000 lb gross weight (max trap). Subtract (add) 1½ KCAS for each 1,000 lb decrease (increase) in gross weight. Complete the landing checklist. When wings level on downwind, descend to pattern altitude (600 ft AGL for the low pattern). Ensure the ground track pointer is on the exact reciprocal of runway heading.

7.7.2.1 Landing Checks.

1. Landing checklist - COMPLETE:
WHEELS
FLAPS
HOOK
ANTI SKID
HARNESS
DISPENSER
EJECT SEL
AOA

2. Report - AFT INITIATE, 3 DOWN AND LOCKED, FLAPS FULL (HALF), AOA CROSSCHECKED

7.7.3 VFR Landing Pattern and Approach. At the abeam position, pick a spot on the ground as a reference point. (At the ship, TACAN will be used to adjust abeam distance). Remember this abeam position, as all abeam distance corrections will use it as a reference. From the abeam position, time 20 seconds to arrive at a no-wind 180° position. To compensate for winds, subtract one second for each knot of final approach headwind component. At the 180, roll into 27 - 30° AOB, add power, and adjust rate of descent to 300 to 400 fpm. Maintain on-speed AOA. This should place the velocity vector about 1° below the horizon with its wingtip below the horizon bar. If required, adjust rate of descent to arrive at the 90° position at 450 ft AGL. Develop an instrument scan for the turn from the 180 to the 90, because an instrument scan will be required at the ship.

At the 90, glance at runway centerline and the lens and adjust AOB to arrive on extended centerline. From the 90, rate of descent must be increased by reducing power and adjusting the velocity vector to 1½ to 2° below the horizon, on-speed. This will produce a rate of descent of 400 to 500 fpm to arrive at the 45° position at 320-370 feet AGL. From the 45, continue to increase rate of descent to approximately 500-600 fpm with a power reduction to arrive at ″the start″ on centerline, at 220 to 250 feet AGL, with 650 to 750 fpm rate of descent, on-speed. The optimum rate of descent will vary with glideslope angle, approach speed, and headwind component.

The approach turn from a pattern altitude greater than 600 ft AGL is slightly different. At the 180, adjust rate of descent between 400 - 700 fpm to arrive at the 90 at approximately 500 ft AGL. This requires a power reduction at the 180 rather than a power addition. Power will need to be added at the 90 to break the rate of descent to 400 to 500 fpm in order to arrive at the 45 at the same flight conditions as the low pattern.

7.7.4 Pattern Adjustments. Deviations to the standard no-wind pattern will be required based on headwind, crosswind, approach speed, and starts by adjusting abeam distance. Adjust the ground reference point and fly exactly the same AOB as the previous pass. Correct for long-in-the-groove or not-enough-straight-away starts by adjusting the timing from the abeam to 180° positions. Correct for high or low starts by adding or subtracting 20 to 50 feet from the target altitudes at and inside of the 90. The purpose of pattern adjustments is to determine a repeatable pattern technique which will produce consistent starts.

7.7.5 Final Approach. The desired final approach is flown by maintaining a centered ball to touchdown on runway centerline and on-speed. Timely, well-controlled power corrections will be required to capture and/or maintain the desired glideslope. A complete discussion of glideslope geometry and glideslope corrections will be covered during the FRS training syllabus and/or by squadron LSOs...."

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SpazSinbad 4th Nov 2012 20:53

Hornet/Super Hornet NATOPS PDFs Download URLs
 
U.S. Navy F-18 NATOPS Flight Manuals Public Intelligence

U.S. Navy F-18 NATOPS Flight Manuals | Public Intelligence

Specifically: http://info.publicintelligence.net/F18-EF-000.pdf (19Mb)

And an F/A-18E almost ideal No.2 wire arrest but great attitude. [From a virus ridden .PPT file: College of Liberal Arts & Sciences | Villanova University ] As always - click the thumbnail:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...WireArrest.jpg

MightyGem 4th Nov 2012 21:13

A tailhooker's tale from a few years back:

Oyster, here. This note is to share with you the exciting night I had the other month. It
has nothing to do with
me wanting to talk about me. But it has everything to do with sharing what will no doubt become
a better story as the years go by. So.... 



There I was .. ' manned up' a hot seat for the 2030 night launch about 500 miles north
of Hawaii. I was taxied off toward the carrier's island where I did a 180 degree turn
to get spotted to be the first one off Catapult # 1. They lowered my launch bar and
started the launch cycle. All systems were ' go' on the runup. And after waiting the
requisite 5 seconds to make sure my flight controls are good to go, I turned on my
lights. As is my habit I shifted my eyes to the catwalk and watched the deck edge
dude and as he started his routine of looking left, then right. I put my head back
against the head rest.



The Hornet cat shot is pretty impressive. As the cat fires, I stage the afterburners and
am along for the ride. Just prior to the end of the stroke .. there's a huge flash . . and
a simultaneous . . B-O-O-M ! And my night world is in turmoil.



My little pink body is doing 145 knots or so and is 100 feet above the black Pacific.
And there it stays -- except for the airspeed, which decreases to 140 knots. Some
where in here I raised my gear. And the throttles aren't going any farther forward
despite my Schwarzze-negerian efforts to make them do so. 



From out of the ether I hear a voice say one word: "JETTISON ! " Rogered that ! And
a nano second later my two drops and single MER, about 4,500 pounds in all, are
Black Pacific bound. The airplane leapt up a bit but not enough. I'm now about a mile
in front of the boat at 160 feet and fluctuating from 135 to 140 knots. The next
comment that comes out of the ether is another one-worder: " EJECT ! " I'm still
flying . . so I respond . . " Not yet . . I've still got it."



Finally, at 4 miles ahead of the boat, I take a peek at my engine instruments and notice
my left engine . . doesn't match the right. ( Funny, how quick glimpses at instruments
get burned into your brain.) The left rpm is at 48% even though I'm still doing the
Ah-Nold thing. I bring it back out of afterburner to military power. About now I get
another " EJECT ! " call. "Nope . . it's still flying." 



At 5 1/2 miles I asked tower to please get the helo headed my way as I truly thought
I was going to be ' shelling out '. At some point, I thought it would probably be a good
idea to start dumping some gas. But as my hand reached down for the dump switch,
I actually remembered that we had a NATOPS operation prohibition against dumping fuel
while in afterburner. But after a second or two [contemplating the threat of the
unnecessarily burden] I turned the fuel dump switches on. Immediately [ I was told later ]
. . SIXTY FOOT ROMAN CANDLE . . BEGAN TRAILING BEHIND. At 7 miles I started a
( very slight ) climb to get a little breathing room. CATCC control chimes in giving me
a downwind [ landing pattern] heading . . and I'm like: "Ooh . . what a good idea" . . and
I throw down my tail hook. 



Eventually I get headed downwind to the carrier at 900 feet and ask for a Tech
Rep [Manufacturer's Technical Representative]. While waiting, I shut down the left
engine. But In short order, I hear Scott "Fuzz" McClure's voice. I tell him the following :
" OK Fuzz, my gear's up . . my left motor's off . . and I'm only able to stay level by
using minimum afterburner. And every time I pull it back to military power, I start down
at about a hundred feet per minute."



I just continue trucking downwind . . trying to stay level . . and keep dumping fuel. I think
I must have been in afterburner for about fifteen minutes. At ten miles or so I'm down
to 5000 pounds of gas and start a turn back toward the ship. I don't intend to land but
I don't want to get too far away. Of course, as soon I as I stuck in that angle of bank . .
I start dropping like a stone. So I end up doing a [shallow bank] 5 mile [radius]
circle around the ship. 



Fuzz is reading me the single engine rate of climb numbers from the ' book' based on
temperature, etc. And it doesn't take us long to figure out that things aren't adding up.
One of the things I'd learned about the Hornet is that it is a perfectly good single
engine aircraft . . flies great on one motor. So why do I now need blower [afterburner ]
to stay level ? 



By this time, I'm talking to the Deputy CAG ( turning [duty] on the flight deck) and
CAG who's on the bridge with the Captain. And we decide that the thing to do is climb
to three thousand feet and ' dirty up' [gear and flaps down] to see if I'm going to have
the excess power needed to be able to shoot a night approach for a landing.



I get headed downwind . . go full burner on my remaining motor . . and eventually make
it to 2000 feet before leveling out below a scattered layer of puffy clouds. And the
'puffies' are silhouetted against a half a moon which was really, really cool. I start a
turn back toward the ship . . and when I get pointed in the right direction . . I throw
the gear down and pull the throttle out of after-burner.



Remember that flash/boom! . . that started this little tale ?



[ Repeat it here ] . .Boom ! I jam it back into afterburner, and after three or four
huge compressor stalls [and accompanying deceleration] the right motor ' comes back'.
I'm thinking my blood pressure was probably ' up there' about now . . and for the
first time, I notice that my mouth has dried up.



This next part is great. You know those stories about guys who deadstick crippled
airplanes away from the orphanages and puppy stores and stuff and get all this
great media attention? Well, at this point I'm looking at the picket ship in front of me,
at about two miles, and I transmit to no one in particular, "You need to have the picket
ship hang a left right now. I think I'm gonna be outta here in a second." I said it very
calmly but with meaning. The picket immediately pitched out of the fight. Ha! I scored
major points with the heavies afterwards for this. Anyway, it's funny how your mind
works in these situations. 



OK, so I'm dirty and I get it back level and pass a couple miles up the starboard side of
the ship. I'm still in minimum blower and my fuel state is now about 2500 pounds.
Hmmm. I hadn't really thought about running out of gas. I muster up the gonads to pull
it out of blower again and sure enough...flash, BOOM! I'm thinking that I'm gonna end
up punching out and tell Fuzz at this point " Dude, I really don't want to try that
again." Don't think everyone else got it . . but he chuckled.



Eventually I discover that even the tiniest throttle movements cause the ' flash/boom
thing ' to happen so I'm trying to be as smooth as I can. I'm downwind a couple miles
when CAG comes up and says, " Oyster, we're going to rig the barricade." 


Remember, CAG's up on the bridge watching me fly around doing blower donuts in the
sky and he's also thinking I'm gonna run outta JP-5 fuel. By now I've told everyone
who's listening that there a better than average chance that I'm going to be ejecting.
(The helicopter bubbas . . God bless 'em . . have been following me around this
entire time.)



I continue downwind and again, sounding more calm than I probably was, call the LSO.
" Paddles, you up[listening] ?" "Go ahead" replies " Max" Stout, one of our LSO's. "Max,
I probably know most of it ,but do you want to shoot me the barricade briefing?" So,
in about a minute .. he went from expecting me to ' punch out ' .. to have me asking
for the barricade brief [so he was hyperventilating.] But he was awesome to hear on
the radio though . . just the kind of voice you'd want to hear in this situation.



He gives me the barricade brief. And at nine miles I say, "If I turn now will ' it ' be up
when I get there? Because I don't want to have to go around again." "It's going up
right now, Oyster. Go ahead and turn." "Turning in, say the final bearing." "Zero six three,"
replies the voice in CATCC. " " OK, I'm on a four degree glide slope and I'm at 800 feet.
I will intercept glide slope at about a mile and three quarters then reduce power. "



When I reduced power : Flash/boom ! [ Add power out of fear.] Going high ! Pull power.
Flash/boom ! [ Add power out of fear.] Going higher ! 



[Flashback to LSO school...." All right class, today's lecture will be on the single engine
barricade approach. Remember, the one place you really, really don't want to be is high.
O.K.? You can go play golf now."] I start to set up a higher than desired sink rate the
LSO hits the " Eat At Joe's" wave-off night lights." Very timely too. I stroke the AB
and cross the flight deck with my right hand on the stick and my left thinking about
the little yellow and black ejection handle between my legs. 



No worries. I cleared that sucker by at least ten feet. By the way my fuel state at the
ball call was [now low] at 1.1. As I slowly climb out I punched the radio button saying
. . again to no one in particular : " I can do this." I'm in blower still and CAG says,
"Turn downwind." After I get turned around he says, "Oyster, this is gonna be your
last look [at the boat in the dark below] so you can turn in again as soon as
you're comfortable." 



I flew the DAY pattern and I lost about 200 feet in the turn and like a total dumbs_ I
look out of the cockpit as I get on centerline and that "night thing about feeling that I'm
too high " grabbed me . . and [ in error] I pushed down further to 400 feet. 



I got kinda irked at myself then as I realized I would now be intercepting the four
degree glide slope in the middle .. with a flash/boom every several seconds all the
way down. Last look at my gas was 600-and-some pounds [100 gallons] at a mile and
a half. "Where am I on the glide slope, Max ?" I ask. And I and hear a calm "Roger Ball."
I know I'm low because the ILS is waaay up there. 



I can't remember what the response was but by now the ball's shooting up from the
depths. I start flying it but before I get a chance to spot the deck I hear:" Cut, cut, CUT !
" I'm really glad I was a paddles for so long because my mind said to me " Do what
he says Oyster ! "and I pulled it back to idle. (My hook hit 11 paces from the ramp.
The rest is pretty tame. I hit the deck . . skipped the one, the two and snagged the
three wire and rolled into the barricade about a foot right of centerline. 



Once stopped, my vocal cords involuntarily shouted, " VICTORY ! " The deck lights came
on bright . . and off to my right there must have been a . . ga-zillion cranials and
eyes watching.



You could hear a huge cheer across the flight deck. After I open the canopy and the
first guy I see is our huge Flight Deck Chief named Richards. And he gives me the
coolest personal look . . and then two thumbs up. I will remember all of that forever.

You're probably wondering what gave motors problems. When they taxied that last
Hornet over the catapult .. they forgot to remove a section or two of the rubber cat
seal. When the catapult shuttle came back [to hook me up], it removed the cat rubber
seal which was then inhaled by both motors during my catapult stroke. Left engine
basically quit even though the motor is in pretty good shape. But it was producing no
thrust and during the wave-off one of the LSO's saw "about thirty feet" of black
rubber hanging off the left side of the airplane. 



The right motor .. the one that kept running .. had 340 major hits to all engine stages.
The compressor section is trashed . . and best of all . . it had two pieces of the cat
seal [one 2 feet and the other about 4 feet long] sticking out of the first stage and into
the air intake. God Bless General Electric ! By the way, maintenance data showed that
I was fat on fuel -- I had 380 pounds ( 61 gallons) of gas when I shut down.



Again, remember this particular number as in ten years [ of story telling] when it
will surely be . . " FUMES MAN . . FUMES . . I TELL YOU ! "

Oyster, out.



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