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Onceapilot 31st Oct 2012 13:48

Any news on Op Ellamy medal?
 
Just about to sort out my medals again. Does anyone know if we are likely to see recognition and awards for Libya Ops, before I go and get them done? Thanks for any info.

OAP

FODPlod 31st Oct 2012 14:03

Royal assent has been given for entitled UK personnel to wear the NATO Non-Article 5 Operation UNIFIED PROTECTOR medal and its issue has already started (link).

How many days did you spend in Libyan territorial waters, airspace or on the ground?

Onceapilot 31st Oct 2012 14:48

Many thanks for the update, looks like I am miles behind the drag curve on this. Is there an open source doc covering the criteria?

Union Jack 31st Oct 2012 14:50

Royal assent has been given for entitled UK personnel to wear the NATO Non-Article 5 Operation UNIFIED PROTECTOR medal and its issue has already started (link).

But has BEagle's assent been given for an ACM to wear a beret?:eek:

Jack

Roadster280 31st Oct 2012 15:36

And why has he got his sleeves up (as has the Navy bird behind him) when the rest of the parade are sleeves down?

lj101 31st Oct 2012 15:37

OAP


MEDAL FOR PERSONNEL IN SUPPORT OF OP ELLAMY / NATO OP UNIFIED PROTECTOR

It has been recommended that all UK personnel who have completed the necessary qualifying service in support of Op ELLAMY are to receive the NATO Operation UNIFIED PROTECTOR (OUP) Non-Article 5 Medal. This has still to be formally staffed through the Service Chiefs.

Eligibility Criteria.

SHAPE has confirmed the eligibility criteria for the NATO Non-Article V medal for OUP. In order to qualify personnel must have between 23 Mar – 31 Oct 11 completed 30 days’ continuous service or 60 days’ accumulated service under the following circumstances:

(a) Those Forces under NATO command or control, or in support of NATO, whilst deployed in the Joint Operations Area (JOA).

(b) Those Personnel serving exclusively on OUP, whether inside or outside the JOA, under the CJSOR and supported by a formal Transfer of Authority.

(c) Those Alliance personnel serving exclusively on OUP duties in the three HQs supporting OUP: HQ CJTF OUP Naples, HQ MC OUP Naples and HQ CFAC OUP Poggio Renatico.

(d) Those Alliance personnel deployed outside the JOA exclusively in support of OUP.
Covers it (vaguely)

Climebear 31st Oct 2012 15:48


Originally Posted by Roadster280 (Post 7495762)
And why has he got his sleeves up (as has the Navy bird behind him) when the rest of the parade are sleeves down?

Probably because he is wearing a CS95 jacket/shirt (in MTP material) whereas the others are wearing the PCS CU jacket (though without the RAF TRF).

This presentation of medals in No3 Dress is all very Army. Whatever happened to medals being presented in No1 SD?

Lushington 31st Oct 2012 15:56

You really are behind the drag curve. This Typhoon pilot is already wearing his............................

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Roadster280 31st Oct 2012 16:00

It shouldn't make any difference (at least not in UK). Sleeves up or down for everybody. Especially on a parade, doubly so with a senior officer on parade.

Why has the ACM got a Navy bird for a lackey?

As for why not in No1s, well it apparently saves dicking the blokes around. Also easier to wash the beer out of, as no doubt there would have been an enormous piss-up directly after the parade.

30mRad 31st Oct 2012 16:16


Why has the ACM got a Navy bird for a lackey
Because he is a Joint Officer (and you'd actually be hard pressed to find anyone more joint) so his office is a mix of services.


This presentation of medals in No3 Dress is all very Army. Whatever happened to medals being presented in No1 SD?
Does it matter what you're wearing? It's the format of the parade and the actual presentation, and the recognition of the hard work that is the important bit surely?

Climebear 31st Oct 2012 16:19

Probably because - under RAF rules - a the sleaves of a CS95 shirt can be worn rolled up but the sleeves of a PCS CU jacket cannot (with a minor exception). So airmen are correctly dressed (apart from the absence of TRFs), if the Air Chf Mshl turns up differently then would you tell him to change?

He heads Joint Forces Command, it is not unusual for the personal staff of senior officers in joint appointments to be from another Service.

Lima Juliet 31st Oct 2012 19:04

Looks like the ISAF medal that I'm not allowed to wear with a different name on the clasp. Does that mean that it's 'open season' for NATO non-article 5 medals now?

LJ

PS - yes they are for seperate periods of Afghan service...

airborne_artist 31st Oct 2012 19:26


9.81m/s/s You guys are pathetic - some people are interested in finding out about the eligibility criteria and you are bleating on about some guy's shirt sleeves or whether he is wearing a beret.

You'll notice I haven't posted on here in a long time - I left because of this very pettiness!!

Having decided to come back and see if anything had changed (I was genuinely interested in the qualifier for Op Ellamy medal) I see that nothing has!!

Pathetic.

I'm going now......won't be back......I'll not be missed but then neither will PPRUNE be missed by me.
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Climebear 31st Oct 2012 21:11


Originally Posted by Leon Jabachjabicz (Post 7496067)
Looks like the ISAF medal that I'm not allowed to wear with a different name on the clasp. Does that mean that it's 'open season' for NATO non-article 5 medals now?

LJ

PS - yes they are for seperate periods of Afghan service...

At the risk of being vilified for answering a question posed - I'm afraid that it doesn't. The official line in the JSP is that there is no permission to accept or wear the NATO Afghanistan medal with ISAF clasp (JSP761 Chapter 8 Annex A). This line is subtly different to the one given in the response to a letter in Soldier Magazine (Sep 09) that appears to permit the medal to be accepted:


Lt Col (Retd) Peter Lockyer, Medal Office, writes: The Non-Article 5 Isaf medal is a commemorative keepsake. It is not to be worn either on Service dress or mess kit.

The wearing of non-article 5 medals is not new. The NATO Balkans non-article 5 medal (that replaced previous 3 NATO Balkans medals on 1 Jan 03) was authorised to be accepted and worn (JSP761 Chapter 8 Annex A; DCI JS 125/03; DCI JS 85/04).

ramp_up 31st Oct 2012 22:26

Why do I need a TRF telling others which service I belong to, when the colour of my Beret and the Badge worn on it indicate that I am in the RAF. Moreover blue PCS and should I have my shirt tucked in or out, why are we wasting the little budget that we have and heart beats on such trivial things.
No change or PCS gets my vote.:ugh:

Grimweasel 31st Oct 2012 22:32

People often get confused with all this - you can't wear a NATO medal for an Op that has a UK medal issued for it such as the OSM. So, Article 5 medals awarded in Afghanistan can't be worn as there is an OSM issued for that theatre.

You CAN however, wear a NATO medal for an Op that didn't have an OSM or other medal issued for it - such as the one issued for Task Force Harvest in Macedonia in 2001 for example (one that I have an wear!)

iRaven 31st Oct 2012 22:38

Au Contraire Mon Grimweasel

For Korea, British Servicemen accepted and wore a medal from HM Queen and a medal from the UN - so they were double medalled for the same campaign and period of time.

iRaven

Melchett01 31st Oct 2012 23:37


People often get confused with all this - you can't wear a NATO medal for an Op that has a UK medal issued for it such as the OSM
By that token, the government won't then be giving MBEs, OBEs etc to Olympic medal winners in the NY Hons list will they. After all, they already have a medal for their UK funded 'operation' and we all know you can't get 2 medals for the same op.

What's that ...? This is different? Oh right.


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