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ORAC 12th Sep 2012 09:42

Me-262 Project


Rocket2 12th Sep 2012 12:08

Aready been done;

Canadian Air & Space Museum | Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow

Ok so its a static replica but having seen her a few years ago a pretty darn good one!

Out of interest I was once told that the navigator on the Arrow test programme was the same guy that flew in the back of TSR 2 - probably an urban myth so please don't flame me ;)

esa-aardvark 12th Sep 2012 12:15

Nimrod + computer
 
As someone who knew a little about these things at the time,
the GEC4080 computer which was used for company reasons
had by no means sufficient power. Other computers were available which would have been OK, but 'not invented here'

Dr Jekyll 12th Sep 2012 18:26


Isn't this essentially what the USAF were trying to do when they trialled the Texan II and super Tucano? Kind of makes my point.
I always thought Supermarine missed a trick by not putting a Rolls Royce Dart on the Spiteful.

Justin Cyder-Belvoir 12th Sep 2012 18:51

I have a cunning plan, My Lord.

Why don't we buy really, really expensive stealth jets.

Then put them on an aircraft carrier with the radar cross section of Yorkshire.

Willard Whyte 12th Sep 2012 19:06

Or why not get a short range version that has to based so close to the enemy they won't need a radar to find them, just a pair of glasses and an ear trumpet (assuming they're either blind or deaf).

goofer3 12th Sep 2012 21:10

BGG. Something like this?

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1347484060

goates 13th Sep 2012 01:34


Ok so its a static replica but having seen her a few years ago a pretty darn good one!
Maybe we should just get these guys to add a couple of guns.

Arrow II Replica

Fuselage Assembly

GreenKnight121 13th Sep 2012 05:54


Originally Posted by Dr Jekyll
I always thought Supermarine missed a trick by not putting a Rolls Royce Dart on the Spiteful.


The Piper PA-48 Enforcer was a turboprop powered light close air support/ground-attack aircraft built by Piper Aircraft Corp., Lakeland, Florida. It was the ultimate development of the original World War II North American P-51 Mustang.
The original prototype (conversion of a WW2-built P-51 by the Cavalier Aircraft Co.) used a Rolls-Royce Dart 510.
The 4 PA-48 prototypes built (2 converted from P-51s in 1971 & 2 more new-built* in 1984) used a Lycoming T-55L-9.


* less than 10% of the airframe was common with the P-51.

Cavalier Turbo Mustang III - converted P-51 N6167U Rolls-Royce Dart 510
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...5_8501_uk1.jpg


Piper PA-48 - converted P-51 N201PE (Lycoming T-55L-9)
http://www.crazyhorseap.be/Mustangs/...Cavalier08.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Piper_Enforcer.jpg

Dr Jekyll 13th Sep 2012 06:56

As I recall the turbo Mustang came close to catching on, which is why I think an equivalent 20 years earlier might have been a success.

ShyTorque 13th Sep 2012 14:36

By coincidence I was walking around and under the TSR-2 prototype only yesterday and thinking...."What the hell were they thinking of, cancelling this fine, amazing beast of an aeroplane?"

The airframe still looks modern to me. All they have to do is put some modern, relatively miniaturised avionics and a pair of decent engines in there and Bob's yer uncle....


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