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Corporal Clott 23rd Jul 2012 17:41

In, Out, In, Out, Shake It All About - MTP PCS
 
I've just read the latest note and AP1358 AL15 to Chapter 2 and it would seem that we are to now TUCK IN our new Personal Clothing System (PCS) Multi-Terrain Pattern (MTP) uniform! We are also NOT to wear the new tone down rank badges but wear the normal blue slides and rank braid. Also, RAF Stable Belts are allowed and rolling up sleeves at the discretion of the individual "should the temperature dictate". Brevets and Regt "Mudguards" are the only badges allowed to be sewn onto the jackets. The RAF Tactical Recognition Flash is being replaced with a RAF Logo'd Badge.

But only "on base"...

...on Ops, we go back to untucked and sleeves down! :ugh:

You just couldn't make it up; "in, out, in, out"...hang on? Sounds like a song I know!

CPL Clott

MG 23rd Jul 2012 17:48

An RAF logo'd badge? Perhaps we could have it all sponsored? By G4S, perhaps?
At least you're being issued it. There's a stn close to my heart that is 'making a statement' by not issuing it because we don't have enough storemen. This all despite ordering it according to our sizes and having it sat on the shelves. By the time it's sorted out, half of the stn will have changed over.

Lima Juliet 23rd Jul 2012 18:24

I've seen the RAF Logo Patch and it looks a bit like this...

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ROYAL-AIRFORC...gL!~~60_12.JPG

In other words - F^cking gopping! :yuk:

CoffmanStarter 23rd Jul 2012 18:40

I'm surprised that an additional strap line of ... Sponsored By ... hasn't been added. Lord Trenchard must be Barral Rolling in his grave :(

MG 23rd Jul 2012 18:47

Good, that looks totally military and not too Boy Scout! :ugh:

Did they produce toned-down rank slides for officers or was it just for other ranks?

Lima Juliet 23rd Jul 2012 19:09

MG


Did they produce toned-down rank slides for officers or was it just for other ranks?
Yup, for officers as well - they are similar to No 5 rank braid but in brown (:yuk:). It makes us all look like Matelots...

LJ

SirToppamHat 23rd Jul 2012 19:16

MG

Assuming a genuine question ... the toned-down rank slides exist for all ranks.

Depending on the actual bit of the pattern which exists underneath it, the rank can be almost impossible to distinguish except at very close range, but then I guess that's the intent in th. When back on base it seems sensible to revert to normal ones, which many people were doing anyway before the new directive came out.

Edited to add that Leon beat me to it, and I agree with his assessment of them.

Edited again to add that the following extract purports to be the latest policy:


Royal Air Force Combat Uniform Dress Policy

After consideration of the Defence policy on the wearing of the new Personal Clothing System Combat Uniform (PCS CU), the RAF has decided to make a number of adjustments which are consistent with the DIB issued in Feb 2011 on the introduction of the Personal Clothing System and the intent in Joint DIN 2008DIN01-200 ‘The Wearing of Uniform in Public - Standards of Dress and Behaviour’.

This policy change is intended to help maintain the RAF’s profile in the public eye when wearing combat uniform by allowing the use of standard RAF blue rank slides and braid, stable belts and the introduction of an RAF specific badge. These changes will also come into effect for the deployed phase of Op OLYMPIC for RAF personnel in the Venue Security Force who may be wearing PCS CU to undertake such tasks as vehicle searches.

The most significant change is that when Royal Air Force personnel are required to wear the new uniform at their normal place of work ‘on base’, the PCS CU lightweight jacket is to be worn ‘tucked in’ to trousers. In addition, standard blue RAF rank slides/braids are to be worn and personnel are permitted to wear approved pattern RAF stable belts. In due course an RAF badge will be introduced, to be worn in place of the Tactical Recognition Flash.

When personnel are engaged on tasks that entail high levels of physical activity, particularly at higher temperatures, local commanders will retain the authority to allow the jacket to be temporarily un-tucked; it is also permissible, as in the extant regulations for CS95, to remove the jacket completely and complete the tasks in just the t-shirt. Once the task is completed, or an individual leaves the task to undertake less strenuous duties about his Unit, then the Jacket should be replaced and tucked in to the trousers.

Due to the limitations of the current sleeve design, the sleeves of the jacket are normally to be worn down. However, where the activity or temperature dictate, sleeves can be rolled up at the discretion of the individual.

The new combat uniform was designed specifically to support the combat task. Thus, when personnel are engaged in combat operations, operational training or on exercises where combat uniform is being worn as part of a specific requirement of the task, and where high activity levels can be expected to be encountered at short notice, the jacket is to be worn outside of the trousers. In these situations, low contrast rank slides, combat webbing belts and tactical recognition flashes may also be worn at the discretion of the local Commander.

The full details of these changes can be found at AP1358 Dress Regulations for the Royal Air Force, Chapter 2.

This revised policy should be read in the context of the IBN issued in Sep 08, which directed a significant reversion to the wearing of No 2 blue uniform and a greater wearing of uniform in public in support of a stronger public profile for the RAF. While RAF Commanders retain the authority to allow or direct the wearing of combat uniform for its designated purpose of combat operations, operational training and exercises, routine work activities ‘on base’ will rarely qualify against these criteria. Furthermore, combat uniform is not the alternative dress for heavy or dirty work, for which personnel should use standard-issue coveralls. Any standing routine wearing of combat uniform will require the authorization of the respective RAF 2-star/AOC.
For all RAF personnel serving with or in Joint, RN and Army organizations, single-Service dress regulations take precedence unless there are other operational imperatives. In these situations RAF personnel are expected to wear No 2 HD unless a new standing authority to routinely wear combat uniform routinely is given by the most appropriate RAF 2-star officer - this decision cannot be made by officers from other Services. Furthermore, RAF personnel should not wear accoutrements affiliating them to non-RAF organizations, such as stable belts, regimental berets and badges; only RAF variants are permitted.
As obtained from Arrse:

MTP_ How Worn, Ironed and What Boots to Wear

STH

Lima Juliet 23rd Jul 2012 19:19

STH

You have to be quick these day me old!

LJ

Easy Street 23rd Jul 2012 19:28

The toned-down officers' rank braid looks truly dreadful. The thick stripes reminded me of the ones we had to wear when occupying "senior" roles during the end-of-IOT exercise and nothing like a proper RAF barcode. Perhaps if they had used two tones of brown for the stripes it might have looked better. I definitely would have tried to get away with the normal tabs until pulled up for it!

Lima Juliet 23rd Jul 2012 19:29

The DIB in STH's post from Feb 2011 states:


Lightweight Jacket. A shirt that can be worn over a thermal or sweat-wicking layer. It can be worn either tucked in to trousers or loose depending on environmental conditions. In order to allow body armour to be worn over the top (in temperate conditions) buttons have been removed and replaced with Velcro and a zip.

Combat Uniform has been optimised for field use. While the fitting of badges is a secondary consideration this can be done although there will be some changes to positioning. The blanking plate on the Bicep Pockets will allow badges to be removed or changed from one garment to another, reducing tailoring requirements as well as allowing badges to be removed in the field to avoid compromising camouflage performance. Service Dress Committees will issue direction in due course.

The MTP license does not allow MTP to be produced by private companies. Therefore regimental high contrast rank slides, where worn, cannot be produced without cutting up Combat Uniform garments. These rank slides also compromise camouflage performance.
LJ

diginagain 23rd Jul 2012 20:29

Just face it; no matter how you dress, you'll never be mistaken for a combat arm.

MG 23rd Jul 2012 21:20

Thanks guys; my question about officers' rank was genuine as I'd only seen toned-down other ranks, so I was beginning to wonder.

In the 1920s, when we were having fun 'Air Policing', there was a toned-down two-tone brown and sand version of officers' rank. It seems that we've missed a trick by not looking at history agin.

Easy Street 23rd Jul 2012 22:31


Just face it; no matter how you dress, you'll never be mistaken for a combat arm
Thank god for that - that means we can keep making successful overseas interventions from the comfort of our hotels ;)

Big Pistons Forever 23rd Jul 2012 22:37


Originally Posted by diginagain (Post 7311182)
Just face it; no matter how you dress, you'll never be mistaken for a combat arm.

I am guessing you are of the "Professional Pedestrian" branch of the Armed Forces :E

diginagain 24th Jul 2012 00:15


Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
I am guessing you are of the "Professional Pedestrian" branch of the Armed Forces

Oddly enough, no; as a reward for pushing, pulling, cleaning and refuelling Army helicopters, The Boss gave me one to drive for a few years.

AGS Man 24th Jul 2012 05:17

LJ
Combat uniform has been optimised for field use...
I should hope so!

sooms 24th Jul 2012 19:31

As a (recently) retired member of the RAF, who lives close to both a main RAF airfield and an Army barracks, let me assure you that members of the public have no difficulty in mistaking a most members of the RAF in PCS/MTP/CS95 for a soldier because: (I'm ashamed to say)

His/Her boots will be dirty/falling apart.
They will not be wearing headress.
They will probably look like a sack of s**t tied up with string.
They will probably have their hands in their pockets.

The B Word 24th Jul 2012 19:48


They will not be wearing headress
Now that did make me laugh! The Army are the worst at this. They even have regulations allowing them to remove headress after eating and smoking outside messes/barrack blocks.

The rest is also "bolleaux" about boots, sacks and string - but I can buy the "hands in pockets" :ok:

rockiesqiud 24th Jul 2012 19:57

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ROYAL-AIRFORC...7E%7E60_12.JPG
Please tell me this is p£$s take!?!:ugh:

Lima Juliet 24th Jul 2012 20:09

No joke, as STH has already quoted:

"In due course an RAF badge will be introduced, to be worn in place of the Tactical Recognition Flash"

I also saw some God awful purple Olympics patch for people to wear as well!

LJ


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