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NutLoose 4th Mar 2012 10:23

Epetition. Running over proposed married quarters changes
 
Posted on another thread, but seems to have been missed, so see

Say NO! to plans to cut service Family accomadation entitlement to 8yrs/10 years serivce, - e-petitions

BEagle 4th Mar 2012 10:53

A pity that the petition has included the following:


armed forces get ripped off, underpaid, treated like worthless dirt, work away from your wives husbands and children for 6 or more months at a time and to top it all off you will have no where to live after giving them 8 years of your life to the serivce , all we ask for is accomadation for the families for the hole term off the serivce being done so we can live as a family.
While the thrust of that sentence will be understood, it will be unlikely to be taken seriously due to its construction.

ralphmalph 4th Mar 2012 11:31

Exactly why I would'nt sign it either. I agree with the sentiment, can we just do it properly!

talkpedlar 4th Mar 2012 11:35

Tragic.. Mr Beag.
 
Worthyness of argument: 10/10

Credibility: 0/10

Sadly, appears to have been written by hairy-arsed squaddie with 12 pints inside him. :ugh:

geezerBJ 4th Mar 2012 13:48

... and the changes are unlikely to happen according to the latest MOD bulletin issued on DII last week, who were quick to quash the rumours.

So who do you believe, the press or the MOD?

Looking at the wording of the epetition,I won't be signing it.

TheWizard 4th Mar 2012 15:41


Originally Posted by talkpedlar (Post 7063047)
Worthyness of argument: 10/10

Credibility: 0/10

Sadly, appears to have been written by hairy-arsed squaddie with 12 pints inside him. :ugh:

Or her if you read the page properly!! :hmm:

greenhaven 5th Mar 2012 15:19

Whilst i agree that the construction and grammar of the e-petition is perhaps lacking in finesse (he/she obviously hasn't been on Staff Course..) isn't it a little petty to not sign it (whether it is now relevant or not) based purely on their use of the English language??

It's not as if it is particularly onerous to append your name to an e-petition and by signing it you're surely agreeing to the sentiment, not marking syntax!

Unfortunately, not all of us are skilful wordsmiths whose command of sentence construction has been honed through years of Staff writing and endless rounds of OJARs. Assuming an eligibility to vote, the poster should have a democratic right to explain 'in their own words' exactly how they feel and if others agree, be supported in that.

Of course, I may be wrong as i get annoyed as much as the next person from incorrect use of apostrophe's in the English language!!

Laarbruch72 5th Mar 2012 15:26


Exactly why I would'nt sign it either.
That's either an irony fail, or a wah. I'm betting on the former.

SOSL 5th Mar 2012 15:55

Service Accommodation Entitlement
 
Good point Laar72.

Seems to me that the very insufficiency of the language only adds to the power of the appeal!

It hasn't been written by one of the "nobs" but by someone who really cares about having somewhere to live.

The petition may or may not be relevant any longer but the anxiety most certainly is.

The arrogance and linguistic ineptitude of some posters on this thread is quite revealing.

SOS

Rigga 5th Mar 2012 17:11

I wouldn't be so daft as to deny this petitions credibility just because of the spelling and grammar used.

Of course, in this age of austerity and changing of previous Norms, the proposal might even be reduced to just relieving officers of their apparent lack of need for Married Quarters - because they couldn't be ar5ed with signing up to something they didn't write and which included bad grammar?

Petition signed - because its right and to help any MOD/Annington beancounters with evidence of its need.

NutLoose 5th Mar 2012 18:45

I too had already signed it, and thought I would bring it to all of you're attention.

I took the attitude that one can either put ones backing behind it no matter how badly it appears to written, or simply do nothing and get nowhere..... Seemed a no brainier to me, the important thing to me was someone was attempting to do something about it, and with some passion.

BEagle 5th Mar 2012 19:21


armed forces get ripped off, underpaid, treated like worthless dirt
Untrue.


work away from your wives husbands and children for 6 or more months at a time
Regrettably true


to top it all off you will have no where to live after giving them 8 years of your life to the serivce , all we ask for is accomadation for the families for the hole term off the serivce being done so we can live as a family.
Entirely reasonable to ask for a proper FMQ policy to be clearly defined for a full term of service.


.. and the changes are unlikely to happen according to the latest MOD bulletin issued on DII last week, who were quick to quash the rumours.
I await clarification.

blagger 5th Mar 2012 20:09

I thought that changes to MQ entitlements was just a rumour, but I have just seen on the news that DIO have announced the 780 houses required at Brize is now only going to be 200................

BBC News - Oxfordshire MoD land could provide new homes


Interesting

Jayand 5th Mar 2012 22:10

Beagle you can't say the first one is untrue as it's subjective, that is the authors opinion and because it differs from yours does not make it false!
If you believe in the cause then sign the petition, simples!

BEagle 6th Mar 2012 06:42

blagger, that is indeed interesting!

Last August, the BBC reported:

Plans for near nearly 500 houses for military families moving to RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire have been given the official go-ahead.

West Oxfordshire District Council approved plans as part of a scheme to build around 800 properties at Carterton.

They will house personnel relocating from RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire which is due to close.

All the properties are expected to be finished by 2016.

Around 2,500 military staff will make the move from Lyneham, along with 65 civilians and up to 1,000 contract workers.

It brings the total number of service personnel based in Oxfordshire to nearly 11000
Whereas yesterday, they reported:


Land owned by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) could be freed up to provide general housing in Oxfordshire.

It follows a decision to reduce the number of planned military family homes in Brize Norton from 780 to 200.

West Oxfordshire District Council said the available land could have "potentially significant implications" for its housing needs.

A decision on a 15-year development plan for West Oxfordshire will now be postponed until May or June.

Councillor Warwick Robinson said the MoD's "proposal to release some of its land has offered more housing capacity within Carterton than originally anticipated".

He added: "The opportunity to explore further development in the heart of the town is certainly of interest to the council.

"The MoD sites are close to the town centre, have good access to shops, public transport and key services and would utilise previously developed land."

A decision on a 15-year development plan for West Oxfordshire had been due to go for approval this month but will now be reviewed to incorporate the MoD's amended proposals.

An MoD spokesperson said it is "currently reviewing its plans" for service accommodation in the Brize Norton area "to ensure they meet the needs of service personnel, and represent good value for money for defence".

He added more information would follow in a report in April.
Has such a decision actually been made ahead of the 'report in April'? The reason for such a reduction in housing needs to be exposed before any irreversible action is taken to sell off MoD land.

VinRouge 6th Mar 2012 07:09

sounds as if the land sale is being used to pay for the housing.

BEagle 7th Mar 2012 08:26

U-turn on RAF homes
 
More information here:

U-turn on RAF homes (From Oxford Mail)

:hmm:


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