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LowObservable 5th Nov 2012 08:09

As to the source of that AF Mag story:

www.defensenews.com | Printer-friendly article page

"He was confident that the defense giant will be able to deliver production jets to the Marines, Air Force and Navy in time to reach their respective initial operational capability dates of 2012, 2013 and 2014."

Heathrow Harry 5th Nov 2012 12:41

letter in todays Times suggesting a mix of 30-33 F-35A's and F-18's and a cats & traps carrier would cost less and be more effective than the current plan

Obi Wan Russell 5th Nov 2012 16:08

Before everyone else points out the obvious flaw in the article, the F-35A is a landlubber plane and can't operate from a carrier, of any flavour:eek::ok:

Lonewolf_50 5th Nov 2012 18:19

The F-35A has never been a Joint Strike Fighter, and IMO was a bad idea from the get go. The B and C can operate from land or sea .... hence possibly joint.

But I am grinding my axe again, so I'll just sit down and stew about the powder blue goons ...

FoxtrotAlpha18 5th Nov 2012 21:12

LowObservable - you better than most know that the slipped IOCs have been as much to do with the US Govt deferring money and production jets as any technical difficulties that have arisen. :hmm:

JSF Fan - Just shut up - you don't do yourself or your cause any favours! :suspect:

Heathrow Harry 6th Nov 2012 09:12

yes but buying the A would give us a decent -ish strike plane and the F18 would allow interoperability with the USN and the Frogs

lj101 6th Nov 2012 12:02


yes but buying the A would give us a decent -ish strike plane and the F18 would allow interoperability with the USN and the Frogs
Whose AAR asset shall we use for the projected strike mission?

sandiego89 6th Nov 2012 13:39

re: Whose AAR asset shall we use for the projected strike mission?

The F/A18E/F does quite well in the tactical refueling role. In the "5-wet" configuration it can pass quite a bit of fuel, keep up with the stirke package and is still fully carrier capable. The F-35 will likely have a buddy capabiltiy down the road.

Justanopinion 6th Nov 2012 14:37

Sandiego

Lj101s point, I think, is that the 35 A is useless to us in the UK as we have no organic capability for its AAR

Finnpog 6th Nov 2012 15:13

And hence, why the C and Super Bug would work as a fit, but not the A.

Lowe Flieger 6th Nov 2012 19:15

Mending an F35: Ctrl+Alt+Delete
 
USAF maintainers are apparently happy with F35 at this early stage, according to a Flightglobal item:

US Air Force praises early performance of Lockheed Martin F-35

I was especially taken with one remark on fixing the jet:

"...occasionally, we will have some issues with it on the ground," he says. However, this is usually easily fixed by shutting the aircraft down and then restarting it..."

Works for me each time my laptop falls over too. Those $trillions future operating costs are going to come tumbling down.

LF

GreenKnight121 6th Nov 2012 20:02

Standard Windows reboot procedure. :E

However, all they need to do is switch to Linux with a Windows emulator and all will be well. :8

:ok:

FODPlod 29th Nov 2012 10:35

First U.K. pilots begin training to fly F-35
 
Progress: First UK pilots begin training to fly F-35


Originally Posted by NWF Daily News 23 Nov 2012
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/polopoly...g-for-f-35.jpg
Lt Cdr Ian Tidball of the Royal Navy discusses the F-35 program
during a recent interview at Eglin Air Force Base


EGLIN AFB — Last week, the first two United Kingdom pilots started training to fly the F-35.

They join an elite rank. Only 30 pilots in the world have been or are in the process of training to fly the new stealth fighter jet, which is still in testing phases.

“It’s an amazing, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,” said Royal Air Force squadron leader Franki Buchler, one of the two pilots. “I feel very privileged and lucky. I hope I do the aircraft and the Air Force justice.”

Buchler and fellow pilot, Royal Navy Lt. Cdr. Ian Tidball, have joined the U.S. Marines Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, which is conducting initial training and instruction on the F-35B at Eglin Air Force Base...


Frostchamber 29th Nov 2012 11:05

HMG hasn't compleletly closed the door on an eventual F35A purchase, but the official position is that any consideration of it will be in the context of Typhoon OSD. In the meantime the assumption seems to be that 5 Typhoon sqns and a slack handful (2? 3?) of F35B sqns will suffice when Tornado goes - unless the rumours of 1 or 2 extra Typhoon sqns (Tranche 1s retained) come to pass...

TEEEJ 29th Nov 2012 11:38

Reference probe and drogue and F-35A


A: O’Bryan: “We anticipated a number of the operators would want probe-and-drogue refueling in the F-35A and we kept that space empty on the F-35A to accommodate probe and drogue refueling. We‘ve done a number of studies – funded studies, not projects – funded studies to evaluate that, paid for by the countries who want that to happen. It’s a relatively easy … doable change.”
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/06/19/lo...a-on-the-f-35/

Baron 58P 29th Nov 2012 12:32

This article appeared in the New York Times today 29 November. A clue as to what is to come?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/us...k.html?hp&_r=0

LowObservable 29th Nov 2012 14:12

Nice to see The Gray Lady hitching up her bloomers and making a last-moment leap aboard the rapidly accelerating clue-train...

Frostchamber 29th Nov 2012 15:08

Complete with anti-F35 rent-a-quote from Winslow Wheeler. Quelle surprise.

ORAC 15th Jun 2013 08:28

Sukhoi PAK-FA spin recovery footage

JSFfan 15th Jun 2013 09:59

We're Doomed


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