JHC Diktat bans personal cameras?
 

Apparently there is a diktat about to be issued by JHC to ban the use of cameras on JHC ac unless on an approved trial.

Anyone got further gen?

If true, no more photos of yourselves enjoyng your careers, ok?

:mad:

Cue lots of embarrassing (to JHC) photos.:)

Somebody's been on an American exchange or a staff visit to the US. TAC (as it was) prohibited the use of cameras by crew.

Perhaps they think the guys aren't professional enough to do their jobs without taking video of something bad happenning. Or maybe they know that everyone is so pissed off that they're worried that the vids might reveal some morale issues. Or perhaps the public might see that there isn't enough left to do the job. Or...

Not being rude, but is this really something that should be discussed openly on the net?

Any reason why it shouldn't be?

this really has an element of "welcome to the real world" about it.
I spend a fair amount of time in regional government offices - call centres / support centres and such like - and they are plastered with posters banning cameras or camera phones.
Information is sensitive, and with modern digital cameras its so easy to copy that information

But as Jimlad says - a forum like this is hardly a place to discuss security

Could this lead to the trauma of people having their mobile phones declared off limits also?

based on my experience of other government departments, and large companies, then yes

Small minded petty regulation.....
 

.....whilst Rome is still burning.

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Any reason why it shouldn't be? "

To be clear, I have no connection at all to JHC or the security world. I am uncomfortable with this being discussed for the following reasons.

Firstly, its a rumour, which suggests someone has either a score to settle or is trying to force someones hand - personally I think its highly unprofessional to try and do something like this via the Internet, and not through established channels.

Secondly, if its on the verge of being released, and if this gets media attention, then the person drafting it may end up in a world of hurt and unwarranted attention, because people who aren't fully sighted on issues have chosen to have a rant about it, rather than pick up the phone and talk through the issue with the policy maker. Someones career may be about to have a very unpleasant period of unwelcome attention, because someone chose to post a duty rumour on the net.

Finally, I'm old fashioned in that I don't think its appropriate to use forums like this to post rumours on security related policies, which are often introduced for bloody good reasons, and not simply to give someone the excuse to whinge.

I'd like to think that if I had an issue with a policy which directly impacted on my day job (and not wider UK defence policy issues), I would be professional enough to raise my concerns within the established system, rather than on the whole internet.

...as I approach the end of my career; I am discovering that I didnt take enough photographs!!! The rose tinted spectacles of days gone by would be pleasant to view a photo album through. We take so much day to day stuff for granted until one day it is no longer there.

The cynic in me thinks this more to do with avoiding BofE evidence rather then a ban on nostalgia.

I thought that photography on/from a military aircraft was forbidden anyway, it being a prohibited place within the meaning of the Official Secrets Act. If that's still the case it's common knowledge in the public domain, a none story/rumour and certainly no reason to get ones knickers in a twist as it was a rule that was comprehensively ignored by all!:zzz:

Nail on the head there Yoz

From a historical perspective this is sad. King Canute comes to mind.

I took my camera along on many sorties over the years and I hope to publish a book of Phantom images soon. It'll benefit military charities if I can persuade any of them to respond!

I know that OPSEC is important but, properly cleared, pictures taken on operations are part of history and we, clearly, don't need the media to dictate what is published.

don't think on the lines of pictures
think on the lines of photocopies. and what damage you could do

as an example, just found this document online. I'm sure it shouldn't be there
http://info.publicintelligence.net/JFIIT-Handbook.pdf

relatively innocuous, but one gets the idea...

So to summarise the main thrust of this thread so far: firstly, don't discuss rumours on the rumour network because it's only a rumour and someone might get in trouble for having a silly idea... Alternatively, it's not a silly idea but it is a security issue to discuss it because the photos that you haven't yet taken might reveal secrets. :}

LoL. I think we're all old and bold enough to know whats classified. Funnily enough, the biggest problem I've had is that I didn't take enough pictures of the cockpit when I was flying because it was classified. I had to go back to an aircraft in a museum to fix it.

Let's be adult about this. There's a well trodden path to clear stuff for publication. There's also a system to make sure that stuff that shouldn't be published on the net is closed down. That leaves the people who push stuff out on You Tube who shouldn't.

"The cynic in me thinks this more to do with avoiding BofE evidence rather then a ban on nostalgia."

Looking at the today's on line version of the Daily Mail with the cockpit video, that is probably spot on.

Related ?

"all old and bold enough to know whats classified."
but some people are bold in other directions
Thiink Bradley Manning

I'm not sure about this, and perhaps someone could put me right, but if a rumour being discussed on a rumour network is unsuitable, would the Mods step in to lock the thread or just let it run?

I think it may be related to not taking photographs when overflying the Acropolis.



(Check the Air Pilot thingy - old GSU question :8 )