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TEEEJ 14th Jan 2012 19:42

GAVRO,

It was originally posted on the following forum.

Scramble Messageboard • Information

TEEEJ 14th Jan 2012 20:11


A bit more of the Syrian delegation visit to the Russian carrier at the following link. It includes some Su-33 Flanker footage.

Link to Russian news video

Russian Navy vessel callsign RAL65 left the Mediterranean, passed through the English Channel and is currently off Norway. Intially it was thought that RAL65 was the Admiral Chabanenko returning home early, but it turned out to be dodgy information from a Russian forum. The Admiral Chabanenko was one of the vessels that visited Tartus, Syria.

RAL65 is possibly a Northern Fleet intelligence collection vessel that was active in the Mediterranean before the Task Force deployed? Rumour control has it as the RFS Kildin, a Moma Class Intelligence Collector, returning to the Northern Fleet? For a period RAL65 was hove to in the Moray Firth.

RFS Kildin no 2 - 15.08.2011 - Malta Ship & Action Photos by Capt. Lawrence Dalli

58.1N 02.7W - Google Maps

As of 12 GMT today RAL65 was off Norway and sending weather via Morse Code to HQ Northern Fleet (RIT).

8345 Khz
RIT DE RAL65 QSA ? QTC K @ 1234
RAL65 195 16 14 1615 195 BT FOR RJH45 RJH74 BT
14121 99616 10037 41/97 92210 10070 40335 54005 74724 89/// 22213 00040 20403 14013 BT AR
RAL65 K

Lat and long from the last three figures of the second and third groups.

61.6N 03.7E

61.6N 03.7E - Google Maps

22213

1= Heading North East
3 = 11-15 Knots

The two other vessels RKO81 and RAL46 are currently in the Mediterranean.

14th January 18 GMT RKO81 sending weather to HQ Baltic Fleet (RMP).

8345 Khz
RMP DE RKO81 QSA ? QTC K @1838
RKO81 202 19 14 2200 202 BT SML FOR RJD38 BT
14181 99379 10093 41598 62908 10140 40166 54000 70222 86128 22273 10160 20403 330// 88000 80000 14016 BT AR
RKO81 K

Lat and long from the last three figures of the second and third groups.

37.9N 09.3E

37.9N 09.3E - Google Maps

22273

7 = Heading North West
3 = 11-15 Knots

14th January 00 GMT

RAL46

37.1N 11.7E


37.1N 11.7E - Google Maps

Heading South East at 11-15 kts.

Full weather and oceanographic data format at the following link.

http://www.vos.noaa.gov/ObsHB-508/Ob..._compliant.pdf

The Frigate Yaroslav Mudry is due to make a port call in Ceuta, Spain on 16th of January.

16 Jan 12 RFS Yaroslav Mudryy 727 Ceuta

From

Port Visits December 11 | SEAWAVES Magazine

Frigate Ladny, which was part of the group that visited Syria, has left the Task Force and should be in Sevastopol, Black Sea.

Frigate Ladny Returns from Deployment

GAVRO 16th Jan 2012 07:29

I understand that some vessels retuns to main base like Frigate Ladny or Mudry?
Admiral Kuznetsov is still in Mediterranean.

ORAC 16th Jan 2012 12:02

Streetwise Professor: The Hardware Ain’t So Hot Either

The Russian “aircraft carrier”–and crucially, its trusty tugboat–reached Syria, where the flotilla received a warm welcome from the besieged Assad regime. Pavel Felgenhauer’s description makes it plain that scare quotes I routinely use in reference to the Kuznetsov are more than warranted:
The Kuznetsov is a 60,000 ton ship that may carry an air wing of up to 50, including some 26 jets and 24 helicopters. On its present voyage the Kuznetsov’s majestic flight deck is almost empty – only eight Su-33 fighters and two Ka-27S helicopters for search and rescue missions, if any Su-33s are lost (Interfax, November 30). Not only is the present Kuznetsov air wing minuscule, it entirely lacks anti-submarine Ka-27 PLO helicopters and even more importantly – Ka-27RLD (Ka-31) early warning flying radars. Without any long-range radar capability, the Kuznetsov is not a combat ship, but a sitting duck – a large, uncomfortable and rusty tourist ship. The Su-33 fighters are not produced any more, so the Kuznetsov is now carrying the last flight worthy Su-33s and they will soon be mothballed after the carrier returns to port within two weeks.

The Kuznetsov’s main steam turbine engine has been breaking down constantly during the ship’s service, which began in 1992. The Kuznetsov has been a largely immobile and useless ship with three major shipyard repair periods lasting over six years since 1996. The sea salvage tug Nikolai Chiker is shadowing the Kuznetsov during its present tour to tow the hapless carrier back home if the main engine breaks down again. After completing its last voyage the Kuznetsov will be disarmed and go to the Severodvinsk shipyard for a major refitting that is officially planned to last until 2017 or end later – if ever (NVO, April 22, 2011). Su-33 production has been terminated, so the Kuznetsov must be refitted to carry MiG-29K fighter jets being developed for India. The Kuznetsov’s main anti-ship weapon, the supersonic Granit cruise missile, is also out of production and must be replaced. The main engine must be replaced – the carrier will be virtually gutted to the bare hull and rebuilt from scratch. When it ever sails again, al-Assad will be long forgotten history.
Meaning that the Kuznetsov’s little tugboat that could, the Nikolai Chiker, is arguably the most important vessel in the Russian fleet.

I doubt that the refit mentioned in the above quotewill go any better than the overhaul of another Russian “carrier”, the Gorshkov. It was sold to the Indians, but the overhaul in a Russian yard went billions (dollars, not rubles rupees) over budget, and years over schedule.

glojo 16th Jan 2012 12:38

Confirms what I was saying about this carrier and would scrapping this ship be a better option and start with a clean sheet?

I must confess I was not used to using AIS to locate warships as disclosing a position is something they very rarely make public. It was a surprise to locate the Nikolai Chiker but I see she is now 'out of Range' and has been since leaving the area off of the coast of Cyprus at the end of last year.

lonsdale2 16th Jan 2012 16:49

No longer out of range - she is showing up 30 miles East of Malta.

glojo 16th Jan 2012 17:10

Thanks Lonsdale,
I'm guessing they switched it off whilst she was operating in the area of Syria? (question)

COCL2 16th Jan 2012 17:18

There appears to be no public AIS monitors along the Syrian coast. The online maps and plots are only provided by a network a network of fans / spotters and aren't official. Somehow I think conditions in Syria may not be conducive to providng such a service - its rather likely to be misinterpreted by the authorities.

TEEEJ 17th Jan 2012 17:27

Update on the Russian Navy Task Force.

Ship RAL65 is now nearing home port in the Northern Fleet.

17 January @ 18 GMT Morse transmission to HQ Northern Fleet.

8345 RIT DE RAL65 QSA ? QTC K @1805
RAL65 745 16 17 2203 745 BT FOR RJH45 RJH74 BT
17181 99711 10302 41/98 82211 10000 40230 52010 70222 89/// 22233 00030 20503 17013 BT AR RAL65 K

71.1N 30.2E Heading South East at 11-15 Knots.

71.1N 30.2E - Google Maps

RFS Sergei Osipov is due to visit Malta on the 18th January.

Malta Ship & Action Photos by Capt. Lawrence Dalli

Tug Nikolay Chiker is underway and was east of Malta. It was anchored up at 35°47.16' N 14°52.84'E. It appears to be going out of AIS range?

35°47.16'N 14°52.84'E - Google Maps

Ship RAL46 has not been active in Morse for a couple of days.

Ship RKO81 has been moving towards the Strait of Gibraltar and transmitting weather in Morse. As of 17 January RKO81 was at

36.2N 03.5W and heading South West at 11-15 Knots.

36.2N 03.5W - Google Maps

Some video footage from the Mediterranean showing Flanker training off the Kuznetsov.

Link to video

The girls and guys on QRA will probably be kept busy in the next few weeks? Possibly an exercise involving the return journey of the Naval Task Force?

Strategic aviation will resume patrols of the Russian Air Force in late January

Strategic Aviation Air Force (IAF), the Russian Federation in late January to resume air patrols in areas Atlantic, Arctic and Pacific Oceans, as well as the waters of Black Sea coast, the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said on Air Force Col. Vladimir Drik.

In early September, the Japanese authorities have expressed concern about the patrols of the airspace in the Pacific Ocean by long-range Tu-95MS bombers the Russian Air Force. Later, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov told

reporters that Russia will not abandon the safety of strategic Russian Air Force, "in spite of the notes in some countries." He stressed that the Russian Air Force while always observed and respected international laws governing such flights.

"Since the end of January 2012 long-range aviation crews continue to perform tasks on the air patrolling the Atlantic, Arctic and Pacific oceans, the waters of the Black Sea coast and along the routes along the borders of the Commonwealth of Independent

States, carrying out missions as a baseline, and with operational airfields , "- said Drik.

He added that in 2012 the personnel of the air bases for long-range aircraft will take part in exercise "Kavkaz-2012" and "Peace Mission 2012".


Google translation from a Russian link.

GAVRO 18th Jan 2012 10:17

Hi TEEEJ,

Where is Tug Nikolay Chiker?
Is it active in morse?
You say it was anchored up at 35°47.16' N 14°52.84'E, and now?

lonsdale2 18th Jan 2012 19:32

Chiker is currently at 35:50:48N 014:56:47E which is around 20NM East of Malta. She has been there for several days in a racetrack pattern currently 249 at 7kts. All info from AIS.

COCL2 18th Jan 2012 19:39

GAVRO

AIS is at Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions

you just need to plug "chiker" into the ship's name search field

TEEEJ 21st Jan 2012 02:11

Hi GAVRO,

No Morse noted from Nikolay Chiker. As already posted the location for Chiker is from AIS.

Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions


Three new Russian Navy ships made landfall on Tuesday in Ceuta, Spain.

Ceuta's port reopens its doors to the Russian navy ships Tuesday. After passing through the city in December, three of the six ships that arrived in that time scale and will be repeated in the city a few days to conclude their work supplies...... Yaroslav Mudry, Lena and Sergei Osipov ......
From online translation of

elpueblodeceuta.es

The Ceuta article mentions RFS Sergei Osipov. It appears to be in error as the vessel made a port visit to Malta.


On Saturday 21st January 2012 the Russian Navy Boris Chilikhin Class oiler RFS SERGEI OSIPOV is leaving Malta from Parlatorio Wharf, Palumbo Malta Shipyard Ltd assisted by 2 tugs.
Malta Ship & Action Photos by Capt. Lawrence Dalli

Update on the Morse transmissions.

Callsign RIR98 is still transmitting weather from just off Tartus, Syria. It is probably the floating worshop or repair ship?

34.9N 35.8E Heading - Hove to

34.9N 35.8E - Google Maps

Callsign RCJG appeared yesterday and is transmitting weather from just off Sevastopol.

44.6N 33.3E Heading - Hove to

44.6N 33.3E - Google Maps

Russian Navy ship, callsign RKO81, is now heading east after positioning near to the Strait of Gibraltar.

RKO81 positions from Morse weather reports.

18th January 18 GMT.

36.1N 04.6W Heading North East at 11-15 Knots

36.1N 04.6W - Google Maps

19th January 00 GMT

36.3N 03.2W Heading North East at 11-15 Knots

36.3N 03.2W - Google Maps

19th January 06 GMT

36.4N 01.6W Heading North East at 11-15 Knots

36.4N 01.6W - Google Maps

19th January 12 GMT

36.7N 00.2W Heading North East at 11-15 Knots

36.7N 00.2W - Google Maps

19th January 18 GMT

36.9N 01.5E

36.9N 01.5E - Google Maps

20th January 06 GMT

37.3N 04.6E Heading North East at 11-15 Knots

37.3N 04.6E - Google Maps

20th January 12 GMT

37.6N 6.2E

37.6N 6.2E - Google Maps

20th January 18 GMT

37.8N 07.7E Heading North East at 6-10 Knots

37.8N 07.7E - Google Maps

21st January 00 GMT

37.9N 08.7E Heading North East at 6-10 Knots

37.9N 08.7E - Google Maps

pr00ne 21st Jan 2012 10:31

Gawd...................



Isn't there a ship spotters forum somewhere for you lot?

GAVRO 21st Jan 2012 11:49

Great work again TEEEJ.

I am looking for a HF radio receiver online!

TEEEJ 21st Jan 2012 12:24

pr00ne

The Task Force is based around the Carrier Kuznetsov, so it is aviation related. If it was just a non-carrier deployment then it wouldn't be so interesting and not relevant to the forum. Some people on the forum seem interested so I continued with the updates. I suppose if it annoys you then simply don't click on a thread that has the title Russian task group!

It should be left to the Mods/Admin if the thread should be moved or is not relevant.

No problem, GAVRO

Ship RCJG is now underway in the Black Sea. Possibly deploying to the Mediterranean and might link up with the Task Force? I'll update if she passes through the Turkish Straits.

21st January 12 GMT

RCJG

43.9N 32.7E Heading South West at 6-10 Knots

43.9N 32.7E - Google Maps

21st January 06 GMT

RKO81

37.8N 09.8E Heading North East at 6-10 Knots

37.8N 09.8E - Google Maps

Courtney Mil 21st Jan 2012 13:41

I for one am very grateful for the updates, TEEEJ. Your point about it being a carrier is spot on. Pr00ne may have been making a slightly different point, but that's fine too.

Thanks, all, for a good debate, including the running int on where they are and the carrier's capability.

Courtney

GAVRO 21st Jan 2012 13:55

RCJG could be another russian ship....
TEEEJ you have radio trafic in morse with RCJG, what frequency?

RAL46 has not been active in Morse for a couple of days, you have news?

I search a radio receiver online to listen this comunnication, do you know one, TEEEJ?

lonsdale2 21st Jan 2012 18:21

Have a look here for the identity of RCJG.

TEEEJ 23rd Jan 2012 22:29

No problem, Courtney. Thanks.

GAVRO,

Sorry for the late reply. If you want a faster response then please feel free to PM me. It will register on my e-mail.

RCJG transmits during the 12 GMT hour on 12464 Khz.

RKO81 transmits during the 00, 06, 12 and 18 GMT hours on 8345 Khz. Sometimes uses 12464 Khz at 12 GMT

RAL46 has just reappeared sending weather. Noted at the same times and frequencies as RKO81. They have been noted to transmit over the top of each other.

Try Global Tuners.

GlobalTuners - On-line remotely controlled tuners

lonsdale2,

Superb. Thanks for that! :ok:

A quick update on the Morse transmissions.

23rd January 18 GMT

RKO81

37.5N 11.1E Heading North West at 11-15 Knots

37.5N 11.1E - Google Maps

23rd January 18 GMT

RAL46

36.5N 13.9E Heading North West at 11-15 Knots

36.5N 13.9E - Google Maps

23rd January 12 GMT

RCJG

40.8N 28.1E Heading South West at 6-10 Knots

40.8N 28.1E - Google Maps


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