Iranian take on the Christian Science Monitor report
Fars News Agency :: Report Alleges US Drone Cheated by Iran Includes a veiled threat; "Hacking such an extremely sophisticated system, which until last week was considered impossible, means that the Iranians are able to enter all computer-based network systems in the US and Europe. Since the algorithm and logic behind other systems are much simpler, the Iranians may be able to control all radars, satellites, planes, ships, tanks, rockets, cruise missiles and so on of the US and NATO throughout the world. They may be able to even control American soldiers, who are driven to fight using satellite controlled infrared systems." A bit of hyperbole (or even bollox) there, but it does raise some interesting questions |
So much for network enabled battlespace, etc., bolleaux.
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http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...larWarfare.pdf
1. Key Finding 1: Current RPA automation implementations either underautomate, over-automate, or fail to provide a flexible human-centric solution. Insufficient and inflexible automation/sensor processing increases pilot workload, increases incident rates, degrades mission performance and agility, and inhibits distributed cross-platform collaboration. 2. Key Finding 2: Poorly-designed Operator Control Stations (OCSs) fail to provide effective, robust, and safe RPA mission management because of a lack of accepted systems engineering design practices, a lack of Human-System Integration (HSI) design and implementation, and closed and stovepiped architectures that constrain “best of breed” component solutions. 3. Key Finding 3: Limited communications systems result in communications latency, link vulnerabilities, and lost-link events, which limits mission roles assigned to RPAs, operational flexibility, and resiliency in the face of unanticipated events. enough in that lot to explain how contact was lost, even without any jamming More details from page 31 onwards |
Nothing has changed since the mid 80's, nothing.
"http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...larWarfare.pdf 1. Key Finding 1: Current RPA automation implementations either underautomate, over-automate, or fail to provide a flexible human-centric solution. Insufficient and inflexible automation/sensor processing increases pilot workload, increases incident rates, degrades mission performance and agility, and inhibits distributed cross-platform collaboration. 2. Key Finding 2: Poorly-designed Operator Control Stations (OCSs) fail to provide effective, robust, and safe RPA mission management because of a lack of accepted systems engineering design practices, a lack of Human-System Integration (HSI) design and implementation, and closed and stovepiped architectures that constrain “best of breed” component solutions. 3. Key Finding 3: Limited communications systems result in communications latency, link vulnerabilities, and lost-link events, which limits mission roles assigned to RPAs, operational flexibility, and resiliency in the face of unanticipated events. enough in that lot to explain how contact was lost, even without any jamming More details from page 31 onwards" |
latest claims from Iran
Fars News Agency :: Report: CIA Hacked by Iran Important to note they are quoting a Russian news agency, reporting Israeli comments from a supposed off-the record USA source. So believe what you will "As RT reported yesterday, overseas officials speaking on condition of anonymity say that they were able to crack the computers of the drone to hijack the craft and lead it to a safe landing after it caught the drone creeping over from a mission in Afghanistan. Now military sources speaking to Israel-based news outlet Debka insist that Iranian forces made their way into the drone commander centers at CIA headquarters outside of Washington in Langley, Virginia. Debka has close connections with the Israel intelligence community and in the past has been known for correctly reporting on issues of importance to the American intelligence community before US outlets, Russia Today said...... "The Israel-based outlet adds that in addition to hacking the GPS network of the craft, as Iranian engineers admitted earlier this week, the command center in Langley must have been infiltrated as to keep those controlling the robotic plane from noticing that the craft had been guided onto an enemy base. Had the CIA been aware of the hacking of the GPS network only, adds Debka, they would have surely triggered the craft's self-destruct mechanism, rendering any wreckage unmanageable for Iranian authorities recovering the debris. ,.... "Debka's analysis of the drone capture also raises a last point worth bringing up - with the Sentinel's mission over Iran being the first such flight there for the craft, whoever intercepted it was well aware of the precise day and hour of the mission. With Washington doubting their technology out of Tehran, going as far as to call it an "ox-cart culture" in recent weeks, the possibility that the attack was infiltrated from within the United States or with the cooperation of American officials seems more than likely now..... " |
Ahh the process of disinformation, what is the truth, guess only the people involved.
U.S. Official Says Iran Will Find It Difficult To Exploit Intel In Drone | Fox News He's saying it was just a simple failure, and no big deal. |
Yes indeed, Glojo. And as for:
But independent experts say the data and communications of the unmanned aircraft are heavily encrypted, making it difficult for Iran to harvest much intelligence from them. Surely if the UAV had been gathering int over Iran, they'd only be getting int about themselves anyway!?!?! I guess I know what he meant. |
to be honest, hacking the circuitry may not be all that useful anyway in terms of gaining technological secrets
its amazing what can be done with a relatively low cost machine using off-the-shelf parts and technology Put these two concepts (below) together and the result would be a cheap DIY communications spy. What it wouldn't have is range - but that should be fixable given scale. Any aerospace company would be able to overcome that DIY Spy Drone Sniffs Wi-Fi, Intercepts Phone Calls | Threat Level | Wired.com Southampton engineers fly the world's first 'printed' aircraft Of course if you added solar power generation as well, then in some countries you would have potentially a huge range And if anyone doubt the availability of 3D printers, a friend of mine has one for making scale-model railway locomotives. Cost him less than £10,000 |
Heh, pursuant fltlt's link (many thanks)
I love the way the Air Force parses language. "High Regret Operations" have significant IO impact. Fork me, is that any way for a warrior to talk? |
Dunno. What's it mean?
Sorry, Significant IO profile heightening is required in this high confusion operation. |
Lonewolf_50, it was not my link, it was jamesdevice, credit where credit is due.
Unfortunately that whole mindset is slowly spreading throughout the armed forces over here. Just read the individual post "newspapers", it is all touchy feely, I didn't mean to offend you stuff. Afraid our warriors have somewhat droopy swords and lances. Sadly I can envisage when the callout "Fox two" means you have just launched foam nerf projectiles so as not to cause your enemy any damage or personal bad feelings.:ugh: Maybe we can have text wars, first to 1,000,000 wins with unlimited rematchs? |
Mach Two, even they aren't sure:
The Merge - Reply to “Defining Information Operations Forces..." |
you may like this one as well
http://info.publicintelligence.net/MCCLL-UAS-RC-SW.pdf "Unmanned Aerial Systems Integrated Operations in Support of Regional Command Southwest" 4 October 2011 |
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I believe the technical term our Army friends use is WAH!!!!!!!
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Thank you for the explanations. As someone said here a few days ago, I am no wiser, but slightly better informed.
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latest claim / statement from Iran
Fars News Agency :: Former IRGC Cyber War Commander: Iran Can Make Drones More Advanced than RQ-170 ""Today the stealth technology has been indigenized in the Islamic Republic of Iran. We have a radar-evading plane which enjoys a home grown and fully stealth technology and has been tested by the most precise systems and can continue flying for tens of hours," the commander said, adding that the US officials should wait and see how Iranian experts make a drone much more advanced than the American RQ-170 Sentinel. "In response to Mr. Obama's demand for the return of this plane, I recommend the Americans to be patient a bit since God willing our friends will manufacture a drone more advanced than the US RQ-170 Sentinel soon and then they can come and buy it to regain their morale and stop their (present) feeling that they are loosing everything," the former IRGC Electronic Warfare commander said. " |
The mission was proceeding flawlessly, requiring no more effort from the drone operators than the odd glimpse at their screens to check that it was flying its assigned mission.
Then the drone operators had to make an agonizing decision. Would it be the double cocoa kreme puff this time, or the strawberry frosted. "Dammit", mused the chief operator, "Why does Dunkin' Donuts make our life so goddam hard?". Suddenly the drone's computer monitoring system flashed a message: "Aw, sheehit! Another bird's gone walkabout......." |
I still reckon that it was an inside job..................
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Goz7E66RN1T3Ig |
BEagle................................you bad.:)
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Beagle,
You don't know how close to the truth you are. |
Came across this story in Stephen Trimble's DEW Line Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards claim they are reverse engineering RQ-170 tech - The DEW Line |
Now there's a plan.
Take something that doesn't work, reverse engineer it, fly it . . . ;) |
The Iranians have released footage claimed to have been recovered from the RQ-170.
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I recognise that dispersal and it's not in Iran!
I suspect they have either stolen some footage from some idiot that has put on the internet (or stored it on their personal laptop!) or they have tapped into the Full Motion Video feed (which should have been encrypted). Or it could be some footage from the hold-up memory on the aircraft (which should have been zeroised) - that's a good lesson if it hasn't been! Either way, they did not have control of the aircraft. It is not the feed from the satellite as it is line-of-sight. There's also no parametric data on the feed, so I wonder if they picked up a faulty feed from the aircraft? Not exactly earth shattering and it could have been the ROVER feed from a targetting pod from a manned aircraft just as easily. iRaven |
I agree iRaven. Hard to tell from such footage. It could well be stock UAV footage previously released by the Coalition? Anyone recognise it?
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See from 01:32. Footage of the Iranians recovering the RQ-170.
02:22 shows more footage claimed recovered from the RQ-170. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...1-850-WIDE.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...2-850-WIDE.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...3-850-WIDE.jpg http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...4-850-WIDE.jpg |
Partial translation of documentary on the capture:
FASCINATING: IRANIAN RQ-170 DOCUMENTARY PARTIALLY TRANSLATED | aviationintel |
They seem to be manipulating the facts recently
Iranian news agency digitally alters Michelle Obama's Oscars gown to make it look more modest | Mail Online |
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