3,000 jobs to go at Waste O'Space
 

BAE Systems to cut 3,000 jobs - Telegraph

I'm sad for the individuals involved but this has to be good news for us in the military? Hopefully no more rip offs, no more sub standard kit, no more pretending its OK to sell your kit on to foreign companies whilst the UK Military soldier on with the old stuff, no more jobs on the board for 2-4 stars for setting up a contract...nuff said.

They should never have sold out of Airbus (20% stake) as the civil market is booming compared to the military market. Their books have now run dry on the military market and the sale of a dozen or so Mantis is never going to save them (heaven forbid if that ever happens).

iRaven

You reap what you sow I suppose. Pretty small job losses compared to HM Forces, for which I'm sure some of the blame sits at the door of BAe Systems.

Problem in the first paragraph has to be addressed by the MOD. you reap what you sow and been a being an "open" contract for the likes of the Nimrod AEW from what I think I have read, one item at fault was the size of the computer used, but although recognised by the company there was no benefit to BAe to replace the inadequate item with something that would do the job, instead they reaped financial benefits by trying to squeeze software onto a computer too small for the job and hence cost over runs and major problems...... There needs to be contract cast in stone that penalises the companies as in Commecial Aviation. BA I believe is having there 777 fleet fitted at Boeings expense with Winglets? due to the over runs in the Dreamliner deliveries as part of the compensation package.......

Second I agree, it's all about seeing a return to the investors, I think it was the ATP ( Advanced Technical Problem) and 146 that suffered when they shifted the sales offices from the UK to Toulouse? Rumour was the sales staff were offered big commisions on the rest of the Aircraft for sale ( ATR?) hence the UK stuff wasn't pushed and eventually the lines were closed down.
If the likes of Hawker can take over the production of the 125 and still be selling them and making a profit, why couldn't Bae?, I realise they were looking at the investment costs of the new version, but the 800 etc still sells well.

Throughout his many years at 't Big House, Old Scrotum, 't Bungling Baron Waste O' Space's wrinkled retainer, had provided loyal service to 't Master. Whether taking Boogeroff, 't Baron's flatulent whippet for long walks oop snicket, or simply polishing 't Baron's big brass bound buggery boots, he had always carried out his duties with care and dedication.

Then came 't day he werr summoned to 't Baron's office oop at 't werrks....

"Scrotum, savings have terr be made, tha knaws. So tha's fired. Gerrout!"

And the poor old sod wandered off into the gathering gloom of a Lancastrian autumn, wondering when it had all begun to turn to worms for 't Bungling Baron.....

One less company for us redundees to gain gainful employment I suppose.

I really think you need to look and think at what you have written here and re-consider your words. Just a suggestion before……….

'One less company for us redundees to gain gainful employment I suppose'

WW,

Maybe, maybe not...they do lots of other defencey things, including subs, but my bigger question is are they a good company to work for?

Good luck!

G:ok:

Got to agree with GI Joe on this one - why would you want to work for them? Plus live in Blackpool, Preston and Hull? No thanks...:yuk:

LJ

SRENNAPS.

I put blame for some of the Forces redundancies at the door of BAe, which is in turn now suffering job losses because we can't sustain purchases from them at huge overrunning costs. What wording should i reconsider? Please refrain from your lecturing tone.
IMHO the lack of competition in the UK defence industry has led to an impossible situation where we are obliged to buy what BAe are selling regardless of cost or quality.

TurbineTooHot

Nail, head, firmly, hit, spot on! :ok:

CPL Clott

Well so much for the RAF and Mess Stewards, but I thought this thread was about BAE Systems?

Sorry but until we stop blaming industry and realise that it's the outdated and incompetent manner we use to "buy stuff" that sees us hooped in everything we do nothing will ever change :sad:

MOD procurement successes:

C-17 GLOBEMASTER
MQ-9 REAPER
E-3D SENTRY
and soon to be
RC-135W RIVET JOINT

Spot the common thread??? Not a whippet or a flat cap in sight!

CPL Clott

CC,

Now that is a very very very impressive list :rolleyes:

Yes, C-17 to cover for the delay in A400 (yes, I know its not waste o'space direct involvement but they are sub contracted), E-3D to cover NIMWACS, MQ-9 because Phoenix was a disaster (GEC-Marconi made it but they became the SYSTEMS part of BAE later on) and RJ because of further Nimrod bungling.

Then there's the cost over-runs and delays for Astute, the carriers and Type 45.

Rubbish! is to weak a word...

iRaven

To add to CPL's list of successes - CH47 Chinook and AH64 Apache. They only went wrong when we started to screw around with the original designs.

While no great fan of BAESYSTEMS, I wonder how many of their troubled programmes, such as those mentioned above, would come off the list if that same criteria were applied to them also?

Err... leasing them at what it would nearly of cost to buy them with provisos on how and when they could be operated then at the end of the lease having to shell out again to buy them does not smack as a success in these eyes. Though to be fair it was a Brown fiasco

Leasing RAF planes wastes nearly £500m - Times Online

TurbineTooHot

Please accept my apologies. I nether meant to offend or come across in a lecturing tone.

Perhaps I should have added: "before...........the men in the black suits take you away":eek::eek::sad:

So far so good...Although I'm nothing to do with the air side of things.