If you don't know, you probably don't need to know. Sir George a few moments on Google will show the need, just because we have taken 'Capability Holidays' on other requirements doesn't mean we should make it a habit The USA operates 15 of these in-demand aircraft, which have been used in both Iraq wars, and can also be found over missions like Bosnia, Haiti, et al. Their extended “thimble” noses and cheek fairings are very recognizable, and have given them the nickname “hogs”. The USAF’s fleet went from 14 to 15 in 1999 with the addition of a converted C-135B, and currently stands at 17. If this contract goes through, Britain will become the only Rivet Joint operator in the world outside of the United States. The sensitivity of its technologies are such that only a very few countries would even be considered for a sale. Australia, Britain, Canada, and possibly Japan would likely exhaust the potential list. Rivet Joint aircraft are so important that they are assigned tasks at the national level, above even theater commanders like CENTCOM. Their crews’ job is to collect and relay signals and communications, snooping on enemy transmissions and radar emissions. The planes are advanced enough to precisely locate, record and analyze much of what is being done in the electromagnetic spectrum within their coverage area, which is large enough to cover most countries over the course of a mission flight. They can convey this information, or relay other high bandwidth communications, using a communications array that includes satellite channels, the Tactical Digital Information Link (TADIL/A), the Tactical Information Broadcast Service (TIBS), and other options. |
Just remind me what the operational requirement is for these a/c?
Yo, Kitbag. Keep your hair on!
Your mini-briefing is all very nice, but Sir George didn't ask what sort of thing the RJ could do. His question was "What is the (UK's?)Operational Requirement for these aircraft. A different question entirely. No doubt the answer will be contained in the AIR SEEKER Operational Requirements Document - if such a thing exists - and if it does, will almost certainly be somewhat classified. Hence my "need-to-know" reply which applies to you and me too. Oh, and I am willing to bet that you will not find it set out on the internet..mmmmm ....on the other hand...what, with ministers taking friends to classified meetings and tossing confidential documents in bins in a public park, I could be seriously mistaken! :confused: No offence meant, Sir George and Kitbag. Keep the posts coming. |
Project Helix will provide a rapidly deployable airborne electronic surveillance capability, against an evolving and increasingly complex target set up to 2025. The capability will support operations where it will collect, analyse, fuse and disseminate a coherent and readily interpretable electronic surveillance picture in support of national, joint and coalition operations. This information will support targeting and combat identification. The original concept of the Project was for the procurement of a modern mission system to fit into existing Nimrod R1 aircraft, together with ground analysis facilities, training facilities and a support solution to the planned Out of Service Date of 2025. The procurement strategy to realise this concept was selection of a preferred bidder by a competitive and phased‐down selection process. Following a submission to the Defence Board by Nimrod IPTL and the Director of Equipment Capability (ISTAR), the Investment Approvals Board directed in 2008 that an additional option focused on the US Rivet Joint system should be considered. This was included in the Main Gate business case. Of course one could just see what the MoD says about it here |
Got to admit, it's not a bad overview for general public consumption. Not exactly what I would call a statement of requirement, but it would probably satisfies Sir George's curiosity. Pity you didn't direct him to that site in the first place.
Kitbag 1 :D Rallye pilot 0 :{ |
RAF Crews Training At Offutt AFB
J just came across this on You Tube - RAF crews undergoing training at Offutt AFB:
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Wouldn't mind that myself. Thanks for the link, RAFEng. Bit of a role change, but better than sitting behind a desk.
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AOCinC HQ Air Visits Offutt AFB
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Call me a bluff old traditionalist, but surely the whole RJ media piece is a prime example of the difference between being cleared to know and needing to know?
I was always told that it was far more sporting to let your oponents find things out for themselves rather than simply handing the info to them on a plate. |
You are a bluff old traditionalist, but please don't call me surely.
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iRaven stated: "These were the last 3 KC-135As off the production line, all 1964 models, 64-14827, 64-14828, and 64-14829."
Not quite so. The last three KC-135s off the line were 64-14838, '839, and '840. Serial number 64-14827 was an AGM-45A Shrike. (PS: How does quoting a previous post work on this forum? I can't find a way to do it) J |
How does quoting a previous post work on this forum? I can't find a way to do it |
Yup, I got it wrong. Serials 830, 833 and 838 will become ZZ666, ZZ664 and ZZ665 respectively (so I'm told). So that makes 665 in "the last 3".
Apologies... iRaven |
ZZ666? Oh dear, I didn't think they'd go down that route again after the ditching incident with Nimrod R1 XW666, or "Damian". Heard of tempting fate, anyone?!
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Got to keep the same numbers - as they add up to 51.
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666 is the sign of the beast, if you believe in that kind of fairy tale :)
Why on earth would the RAF not assign the serials in numerical order? How confusing... |
Bulldog XX666 was also written off in an accident. This was at RAF Leuchars on 5 Mar 1999; both crew members suffered major injury......
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But as any one who watches QI will know the number 666 is probably a mistranslation of the book of revelations and the number should really be 616 if you believe that sort of nonsense
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