Job Opportunities & Advice
As we all seem to be leaving........
Perhaps it is time for a 'transition' thread, to ease the journey. This thread is intended for jobs/job hunting advice. No direct advertising. No whinging - there are other threads for that. All advice offered in good faith. MODS - I am assuming this is within the rules, and would like it to follow the format of the 'Rotary Jobs' thread. Is that OK? |
Use your resettlement training to acquire a defined marketable skill...preferably one that "on trend".
For example (for a lecky perhaps). Get the tick for installing domestic renewable energy sources (like rooftop solar panels or a domestic wind turbine or both) so that the householder qualifies for the "feed in" tariff. A hard, defined skill such as that above is far easier to turn into income than a soft skill like "passed ECDL and proficient in Excel". Increasingly soft skills are of decreasing value in the workplace because so many jobs are process orientated. |
Seems like a decent thread to me- very much on topic at the moment!
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My only word of caution is the fact that due to QE 1/2 and possibly 3 , the excess froth of the credit bubble has not been worked-off yet. If anything we (as a Globe) are in a worse fiscal state than the market lows of 2008 due to the false economic rally and Central Banks' money printing. More debt has been created by governments trying to prop up a failing global economy because Keynes said 'G' spending would have solved the Great Depression. Classic Keynesian stuff but never tested in anger on this level before; and with Muni Bonds about to pop in the US and the US debt ceiling being capped by Congress (currently $14 Trillion and Obama wants to increase it!!!??) along with the Euro zone in deep trouble and rampant inflation in China - things could be about to get ugly once again.
So, possibly the devil and job you know better - I would hate for people to think the grass is always greener when in fact the grass is about to die again - all IMHO of course; but the charts are giving off all the signs that realisation of the credit woes could be about to strike - no doubt Ben Bernanke will run up the printing presses again and just add to the woes by prolonging the agony stoking up another false rally in a dying market?! Think of the markets as a Heroin addict on a come down and Ben has just administered another shot of 'brown' - Euphoria! - but only short lived as the eventual come down will get worse and worse the longer the drug (cheap credit) is administered. The markets need to get through the cold turkey phase and start rebuilding balance sheets and creating jobs. The latest Non Farm Payroll figure last Fri for the US were a shocker; only 18K jobs created - that does't even keep pace with population growth so in effect its a negative figure!! What should have happened in 08 was for the markets to be allowed to fall and the crap companies fail. We would probably now be in a better position and coming out of a recession. Instead we have made the eventual come down even worse. The only 'hope' is that all G20 Nations meet and decide to start at Year Zero and wipe the slate clean; somewhat unlikely of course! So airlines may be recruiting now - but I can see them laying people off again as we dive into yearly cycle lows this autumn and winter -IMHO, DYOR of course!! ;-) |
GrimWeasel
I think that is a fair call. You forgot to mention Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. . |
So airlines may be recruiting now - but I can see them laying people off again as we dive into yearly cycle lows this autumn and winter -IMHO, DYOR of course!! ;-) |
500N - I just encapsulated those fiscally broken nations into the Euro Zone banner. Note that Moody's has tonight downgraded Irish debt to 'Junk' status. Eekk. The issue is that good old Blighty is well exposed to Irish and Italian problems due to the amount of money we have lent them. Sadly, I fear things are going to get a tad worse before they get better. But of course they won't tell you that. Banks need 'dumb' money to offload their crappy positions into! Failing that the tax payer will no doubt be asked to dip his hand into his threadbare pockets to bail out the largesse and excesses of the privileged once more!:{
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Perhaps it is time for a 'transition' thread, to ease the journey. This thread is intended for jobs/job hunting advice. His view was treat it in the same way as you would a death of someone close or a painful divorce, allow a time for breavement / mental adjustment, not an unrealistic statement when you consider what people in the services put into their careers. He viewed it as a 3-6 month time frame even if you have found something else and to allow time for adjustment and not just ignore. Must admit I thought he was mad but now I think it was wise words. |
Due to local skill shortages the Western Australian government are taking a migration roadshow to the UK in the hope of getting more suitably qualified people over here.
Maybe it's time to consider a move dunnunda. WA turns to UK to find workers | Herald Sun |
Seems like a decent thread to me- very much on topic at the moment! |
His view was treat it in the same way as you would a death of someone close or a painful divorce, allow a time for breavement / mental adjustment, not an unrealistic statement when you consider what people in the services put into their careers. He viewed it as a 3-6 month time frame even if you have found something else and to allow time for adjustment and not just ignore. If you plan your departure well in advance (which you pretty much have to do in Service life) you should have built a decent financial buffer in order to fund (survive?) a "thinking" gap. Perhaps does not apply if you have already lined up/planned for your next job and career?? (Not everybody does...I didn't). |
Just a quick one for those considering to jump ship. If you are interested in trying something new, there are a number of interesting aviation jobs in international organisations like EASA, ICAO and IATA. The diplomacy skills learnt in the services and experience of working in multi-national environments are of great benefit in these environments. Sometimes it pays to think outside the airlines/ BAe/ RR box.
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EASA Engineer Licences
To my military aircraft engineering bretheren:
There is an on-going (& deepening) shortage of licenced aircraft engineers in civil aviation. Advice from one who has made the journey from RAF to the airline world: start studying NOW for your EASA Pt66 Licence; it will take you c18 months to climb this mountain on a self-study basis. Once you have achieved this, operators will gladly employ you & furnish you with an appropriate Type Rating course; you could buy such a course yourself - B737NG or A319/20/21 is a source of strong employment. Course duration c4wks, cost c2.5kGBP. During this protracted period, you should have saved enough cash to pay for the course due to the fact that you will have no spare time to sit in the pub swilling the Devil's Vomit. Get yourself a 45-gallon drum of Midnight Oil; swotting will become the norm. Go on then, what are you waiting for? HB |
I think that is excellent advice and wish I had taken that approach when I pulled the handle. It would have saved me quite a lot of grief. If you plan your departure well in advance (which you pretty much have to do in Service life) you should have built a decent financial buffer in order to fund (survive?) a "thinking" gap. Perhaps does not apply if you have already lined up/planned for your next job and career?? (Not everybody does...I didn't). Possibly something similar to retiring when if you just stopped at whatever age and gave everything up then it could have a detrimental effect on someone. Knew via my parents over last 25 years of people who went on to age 65 in their job, leaving on last day possible and either they or partner dead with 6 months because the life change was too much and they hadn't planned it through. |
During this protracted period, you should have saved enough cash to pay for the course due to the fact that you will have no spare time to sit in the pub swilling the Devil's Vomit. Get yourself a 45-gallon drum of Midnight Oil; swotting will become the norm. Go on then, what are you waiting for? I know it's a hackneyed saying, but I made two good decisions with respect to the RAF, joining and leaving. Good luck to all contemplating the change, voluntary or otherwise. YS |
Have heard Cathy Pacific have some potential.
Mods - any chance of making this thread a sticky? |
So it looks like [for the 2 winged master race at least] the hot tips right now are:
BA Virgin Jet2.com Cathay Anyone know of any others? |
Not everyone's cup of tea, but if you can get yr head round the geography of leipzig then night freight with DHL. Not many hours, but good a/c, nice destinations, short and long haul and for the right people the possibility of a quickish command.
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Do you work for manning?
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Interview Prep
All,
can thoroughly recommend Airline Preparation Training (APL), Market Bosworth, Nr Leicester for helpful interview steers. Google it for contact details. They do a 4 hour 1 to 1 service or a 2 day course. They'd need a few to get together to warrant a 2 day session away from Leicester, however. |
Being as most of the military aircrew forum members are ex-military these days, there must be more tips and advice?
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I would echo racedo's HR managers advice here, albeit not the time scale.
Irrespective of whether you currently like / loathe the RAF ( and loathing is probably in your favour here ) the most significant problem most people encounter is the pyschological transition back to being, and living life, as a pure civilian.....not simply living off base and commuting in. This is applicable to all ranks / trades and over the years I have met many who found this difficult ( I recall 3 F/O's and one Capt..no loss in his case...who returned after leaving, plus several engineers) who simply couldn't adapt to what is, a complete change of culture and lifestyle. It helps, to an extent, if you stay in an aviation related environment but be prepared for the fact that a lot of civilians don't actually give a toss about the Military, your former rank and experience...and will happily tell you as much. Don't bother trying to counter them, just demonstrate your ability to do the work in a professional manner....and don't ever fall into the "when I was in / on etc we always did things this way" trap....on a daily basis...some do and most regret it. Learn (rapidly ) how to "suggest" ideas rather than impose your thoughts. I would say the period of transition varies, but at least 12 months and even once you have made the transition, there are times when you revert and use the better aspects of Mil life to your advantage. It's easy to be derisory about advice in returning to the civilian world, and there's plenty offered of course, but not so easy to extricate yourself from some very serious brown stuff....by virtue of not doing so. |
As I go through transition (sounds a bit like therapy, doesn’t it?) I have found considerable good will in the City and elsewhere for service personnel and one specialist recruiter stressed the importance of a strong ‘operational’ flavour to the CVs. This, however, does not necessarily translate to a job interview or an appointment but it might be the edge over our civilian (and more experienced) competitors in non-flying appointments.
However, as I continue to network like mad, I have sensed a hint of a service person ‘victim culture’ which seems to demand precedence of ‘veterans’ (a dreadful expression) for jobs. Perhaps this is an Army thing but it is mirrored by the well-meaning but hopefully misguided thoughts of some HR/selection staff that fear that we are all potential PTSD/wife beaters/drug takers/homeless serial killers. In my case, I’ll just keep taking the medication… Have any other recent job seekers sensed a similar feeling? |
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