New Royal Navy trainers
 

The Navy has received four Beech 'Avenger ' trainers.
Avenger ‘backseater’ trainers handed over to Royal Navy: key.Aero, Military Aviation
mmitch

MFTS rules! Get one of them on SAR standby never mind just teaching SAR planning....since we ain't got nothing else at the moment! :ugh::)

how long before they get used as stand-ins for maritime patrol work? Must be better than using a C-130

WTF, over?
 

I'm sorry, but what's the point in the Navy having these aircraft?

I thought this thread was about running shoes
 

and that was extravagant in this austere environment. New aircraft is really flash...

rotormonkey

It may surprise and disappoint you to discover that the RN now has aircraft, and thus a need to train aviators.

It's a fairly recent thing, we have only had them a bit over 100 yrs now.

Tourist

A fair point!!

PS Just when is the refurbishment of HMS Victory due for completion?

Caz,

Just asking, because the humour escaped me there; what was the point you were trying to make about HMS Victory?

Best Regards as ever

Engines

Engines

The current contract for the preservation of HMS Victory is £1,500,000 per annum - however,the new 10 year contract rate will not be revealed!!

Safeguard?!
 

Tourist,

Surprised, no.

Disappointed, yes; that after a bit over 100 years, you still persist with the training of 'observers'!! :ok:

Rotormonkey,
"I'm sorry, but what's the point in the Navy having these aircraft?"

The fact that you ask that question must mean that
a) You're after a bite.
b) You're not very up to date on training requirements.
c) You're just not very bright.

Shall we give you the benefit of the doubt and go for option "b"?

Cheers now

Or is it just that 750 (resettlement) Sqn needed a new type on the civil register for their pilots to get their licences on;)

'The RAF has got King Airs so we need something as good' - that sort of well thought out argument perhaps:E

So the only FW assets the FAA own are 4 civvy twin-props - doesn't really seem cost effective, why not get the RAF to do the training like they are doing on the Griffin at SARTU?

My next-door neighbour - a recently retired RN Lt Cdr has been taken on by the company (its name escapes me) as a civilian observer instructor on 750, a job he's been doing until March on the Jetstreams at Culdrose. Saw him yesterday and immediately noticed he's now sporting four rings instead of two and a half on his flying suit, but he assures me the pay doesnt match the apparent rank! This is a guy who's been teaching observers 10 years off and on, and he's just been on a course at Cranwell to learn instructional technique, including how to do a lesson plan! Seems like there's still money to burn if you look around.

I think I am right in saying that the whole operation is civilian - can't get my head round the way the services have changed in recent years.

''Saw him yesterday and immediately noticed he's now sporting four rings instead of two and a half on his flying suit, but he assures me the pay doesnt match the apparent rank!'' '

He's in the wrong job then. There are plenty where it does!

As a 50 something nav?

Err, Caz....

Still trying to get your point - so there's a contract for upkeep of Victory, and they haven't disclosed the cost - and....?

Typhoon costs weren't disclosed to Parliament for over 15 years.

Best regards as ever,

Engines

Sorry? What's the range/ endurance of said new beast? It would have to patrol out to 30W to do the SAR job, I'm not sure I'd fancy stooging around at low level so far out with only two engines, rather than flying in a proper man's aircraft!

Ken

Beechcraft: Comparison Tools

This link would tend to suggest that the range and endurance of the 350ER are not that bad! And remind me what the failure rate of PT6 engines is?

High Expect.

No.
Interestingly though, I was chatting to your mum in a post coital moment the other day, and as she panted slowly back to earth, she did say that you were a little bit hero worshipful of the reds, but only the RAF are arrogant enough to assume that every pilot aspires to be a sparrow. Sharks was always my goal.

Hello Crab, it's been a while!

Because for the Crabs to operate a four aircraft training Sqn, they will need Wg Cdr to command it, with around 300 officers and airmen below him (of which 250 would be engineers and around 40 MT Drivers. The remaining 10 would be RAF Coppers - one of which will be a Sqn Ldr, the other 9 would be Cpl's to push the button on the electric barrier into/out of the base). They would need to reopen St Mawgan and then retire the Tutors, Shadow's and Sentinels.

They would also need to increase the budget to the health service to help look after those personnel who 'didn't sign up to do PT'!

Still, achieving a political win over a sister service would make it all worthwhile.

....................
:D:D:D:D:D