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Brit joining the Pakistan Air Force
Hello,
I'm 18 and I'm British. I was born in the United Kingdom, and that's how I'm British. I'm thinking of joining the Pakistan Air Force as a Pilot. However, in order to join I'd need to abandon my British Citizenship - which will be a massive decision to make. (If it is made.) I'm thinking of coming back to the United Kingdom, once I've done my years in serving at the Pakistan Air Force. I have a question, would I be able to resume my British Nationality/Citizenship later on in life? Moderators: If this post is in an incorrect category, feel free to move it. :ok: |
WP, it is the wrong forum. Ask UK Border Agency.
FWIW, I would think that as a non-British national, even though born in UK and previously British, you would be in the same boat as every other would be immigrant. Opportunities might open up especially if you wee a professional with skills needed in the UK. Any chance of taking RA with you? |
Nothing wrong with Royal Air Force at all. It seems tough to get in to that's all, with all these spending cuts being bought on to us by Cameron. Recent news doesn't look good either.
My Great Grandfather was a Submarine Commander in the British Navy. I'm hoping to go to University to study Maths and Computer Science. What is 'RA'? |
However, in order to join I'd need to abandon my British Citizenship - which will be a massive decision to make. Should you wish to apply for another British passport later in life, you will be treated exactly the same as any other Brit who has not held a passport for several years. You will just need to provide relevant documents to prove British citizenship, and then you will be issued with a new passport. I have four passports from four different countries - all legitimate. Sometimes I let my UK passport lapse if one of the others is current and more relevant to my current state of residence. If I subsequently need to renew my UK passport, it is very easy to do so - just send in a photocopy of the old one, up to date witnessed photos and a cheque. As far as I know, the only developed country that allows its citizens to formally renounce citizenship through a legal process is the USA. Some US citizens choose to do so in order to avoid paying US taxes, which are levied on all US citizens wherever they may be resident. |
TS, no problem wiht establishing 'right of abode' then?
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TS, no problem wiht establishing 'right of abode' then? |
It may be possible to renounce British Citizenship if, inter alia, "of sound mind (but if you are not of sound mind, you may still be allowed to give up your British citizenship or other British nationality if it would be in your best interests)."
UK Border Agency | How do I give up British citizenship or another form of British nationality? |
WP,
If your decision is going to be based on the fact that you want to fly military jets and you feel you have a real chance in the Pakistani Air Force and little chance in the Royal Air Force, then go for it my boy! You only live once. You can sort the rest of your life out later. Also, you will probably get the opportunity to fly a greater selection of aircraft and not bound by the OTT Health and Safety rules that now exist in the UK; so you will probably have a lot of fun. I wish you all the best mate. |
If I could offer a snippet of advice though - look at Pakistan's Flight safety record first. Make sure you are fully informed.
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Why anyone would give up membership to the best club in the world is quite beyond me.
But best of luck with the flying. |
Originally Posted by Load Toad
(Post 6395874)
Why anyone would give up membership to the best club in the world is quite beyond me.
But best of luck with the flying. |
I meant being British & having the passport.
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with all these spending cuts being bought on to us by Cameron
see ya. |
getting in the Pakistan Air Force isnt easy, for one making through the initial selection will be a major challenge for you with them knowing you have given up your previous citizenship. remember there is a serious tussle going on with the west and Pakistan right now. they might reject you purely on the basis of having to avoid the addition background and security clearances. after all there are thousands that apply, so PAF is never short of applicants.
out of the thousands, around 100 make it to the academy. nearly half of which get washed out in the first year at the academy alone. less than 15% of the original course graduates from the academy. out of these around 70% make it fast jet training. its a long shot, but just keep in mind what you have to give up in order to just be eligible to apply. good luck |
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WP, If your decision is going to be based on the fact that you want to fly military jets and you feel you have a real chance in the Pakistani Air Force and little chance in the Royal Air Force, then go for it my boy! You only live once. You can sort the rest of your life out later. Also, you will probably get the opportunity to fly a greater selection of aircraft and not bound by the OTT Health and Safety rules that now exist in the UK; so you will probably have a lot of fun. I wish you all the best mate. Trim Stab It is not possible to "abandon" British citizenship. You can surrender your British passport (which may be what the Pakistan authorities require you to do) but you can't stop being British... Should you wish to apply for another British passport later in life, you will be treated exactly the same as any other Brit who has not held a passport for several years. You will just need to provide relevant documents to prove British citizenship, and then you will be issued with a new passport. I have four passports from four different countries - all legitimate. Sometimes I let my UK passport lapse if one of the others is current and more relevant to my current state of residence. If I subsequently need to renew my UK passport, it is very easy to do so - just send in a photocopy of the old one, up to date witnessed photos and a cheque. As far as I know, the only developed country that allows its citizens to formally renounce citizenship through a legal process is the USA. Some US citizens choose to do so in order to avoid paying US taxes, which are levied on all US citizens wherever they may be resident. denlopviper getting in the Pakistan Air Force isnt easy, for one making through the initial selection will be a major challenge for you with them knowing you have given up your previous citizenship. remember there is a serious tussle going on with the west and Pakistan right now. they might reject you purely on the basis of having to avoid the addition background and security clearances. after all there are thousands that apply, so PAF is never short of applicants. out of the thousands, around 100 make it to the academy. nearly half of which get washed out in the first year at the academy alone. less than 15% of the original course graduates from the academy. out of these around 70% make it fast jet training. its a long shot, but just keep in mind what you have to give up in order to just be eligible to apply. good luck |
Originally Posted by WillingPilot
(Post 6396166)
I think you have to give it up before you join and not apply?
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When I joined a foreign Air Force, admitedly 33 years ago, I was a British Citizen with a UK passport; all I had to do was resign my RAF commission. The thinking behind that was I could not owe allegiance to HM the Queen while serving the ruler of another country. I subsequently returned to UK and rejoined the RAF and was re-appointed to my commission.
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Pontius Navigator:
Why not apply to OASC if you have the necessary educational qualifications - probably similar to what you would need for PAF. You would have the benefit of a medical screening and aptitude tests etc. It would give you a realistic assessment of your chances elsewhere. Problem, is my parents won't me apply. I know I'm 18 but I'd get a boot form the house. They want me to complete my education first to Degree level. I'm checking this site out, Speed Distance Time | OASC: RAF Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre. |
Problem, is my parents won't me apply. I know I'm 18 but I'd get a boot form the house.
They want me to complete my education first to Degree level. From the perspective of somebody 20 years older than you thats not bad advice.In three years time more doors will open than will close.However I never listened to my parents either.Wish I had though ....:O |
Problem, is my parents won't me apply. I know I'm 18 but I'd get a boot form the house.They want me to complete my education first to Degree level. Will your parents allow you to apply for the PAF without completing your education to degree level? Choices as follows maybe 1. Apply for the RAF as someone else said (as a pilot), go through the selection process and hopefully get a place at Cranwell to go pilot. 2. Tell your parents as diplomatically as possible what you have done and why you have done it and ask for their blessing. OR 1. Apply to join the PAF and hopefully get a place. 2. Tell your parents you leaving home, leaving the country AND giving up your Citizenship too.................................... :eek: On balance I think that given the choice, the RAF may be looked upon as a more favourable option (but i realise i dont know your parents and they may have a pathological hatred of the RAF) Which ever you choose good luck |
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