Flying pay on PVR?
 

There's a rumour doing the rounds at work that if you PVR you lose ALL your flying pay.

However, I can find no evidence for this in AFPRB 2011.

It still states on page 76 (Appendix 2):

As this is a rumour network I thought I'd ask in here. Maybe someone knows the truth. Is this just a viscous rumour?

Changes wef 1 Apr 12. Complete loss of specialist pay on PVR. If you have already PVR'd, before that date, the 50% drops to zero on that date.

SDSR - Changes Of Allowances Summary - UK's #1 Community: Navy, Marines, Army, RAF

Link as above

From Apr 2012 - On PVR, specialist pay reduced from 50% to 0

Copied all. Thanks for the fast reply peeps.

Ahh yes, another own goal when trying to attract an individual through their option point. Leave at an option and keep all the money. Persuaded to stay in longer and PVR at a later date equals quite a savage financial penalty when you do make the move to civilian life (oh and pension and gratuity abatement too).

Guess the FRIs will have an even bigger chasm to paper over in the future.

The post-38/16 point brigade used to be exempt from this nonsense. Only the PA Spine chaps have any level of protection now.

What a mess which will cost the taxpayer more in the long-run.

Of course there is always another way to get out quite quickly without getting a pay cut before you go :ooh:

If you PVR and they take away your flying pay, stop flying. :E

Am i the only one who doesn't see an issue with this revised policy? Spec Pay is there to go some way to providing specialists with equivalent total pay as a retention measure.

If you've PVRd, then your loyalty is lost and that retention has clearly failed - no amount of Spec Pay can change that.

Now, allowances cuts to those still dutifully giving their lives to the Service...that's a very different story:ugh::mad::ugh:

Is this just a viscous rumour?

Well, it's certainly a "sticky" situation for some ....:rolleyes:

Jack

May as well take your HTD off of you then as you clearly don't want to come to work. No amount no matter how small can change that.:hmm:

Hes not alone there; and as for LOYALTY :mad::mad::mad:

It is time that 'Loyalty' was replaced with "Allegiance" in military circles for although loyalty does not have to be a two way affair, to expect the same is not unresonable.

When a proper Officer PVRs (and it was 3 years notice in my day), loyalty is not lost, workrate and daily commitment are not lost. The only thing lost is long term commitment. I still got recommended for promotion during my PVR. The idea that one 'stops working' between PVRing and leaving is insulting.
This kind of short-sighted petty penalisation of PVRers will cause a lot of damage in the long term, as many ppruners have said.

It'll be interesting to see how much work gets done in the 12 months between 'selection' and exit date by those who's names are plucked from CAS's hat on August 31st.

You have a point - not sure I'd be inclined to put a lot of effort in under those circumstances. Indeed, the current situation was foretold in my reasons for PVRing - told you so.
I suggest a lot of adventurous training requests!

Err, no. There's a big difference, IMNSHO, between remunerative allowances such as HTD and retention bonuses such as Spec Pay. Simples.:E

As i said, that doesn't make cuts to HTD and others right, just very different to Spec Pay.

So, what you are saying is that anybody in receipt of SP which includes Aircrew of all three services, EOD people, Submariners, Divers, GE's, Movers, AEROMEDS etc should loose this pay as a punishment because they decide that actually they have had enough of being pissed around?

Spoken like a true blunty REMF.

As you say...the Spec Pay has clearly failed in its job of remunerating specialists to keep them in the Services if they PVR. Everyone has their own limit of being pi$$ed around...some choose to leave earlier than others, that's just life old chap!

Don't confuse your terms either - Fg Pay, EOD Pay, Submariners Pay are Spec Pay. GEs, Movers and AeroMeds are not technically the same, they get Crew Pay for their roles.

Anyone considering PVR has to consider that loss now...and it's a fairly big one, so unwittingly (probably) enhancing the idea of that pay in the first case!

As a blunty REMF (your terms), you'll be just fine though ;)

I'm sorry that I have confused the two. I bow to your vast experience in these matters. Oh hang on, forget that because the last time I looked at the AFPRB report for this year, about 10 seconds ago, Crew pay and AEROMED pay came under the Specialist Pay heading. So I think it is you who is confusing the two.:ugh:

Well, what can i say, you're right (but don't get used to it:D) - just noticed that in the report too...SP(AD) and JHSUSC is has been broadened to 'Crew Pay' which should then include GEs etc. Apologies for spouting Spitfire Ale-fuelled bolleaux.

The original point stands, however - why pay someone a retention sum once they've decided to push the button and hence declare themselves a lost cause (purely in retention terms, of course!) ?

On that last slurp of the last bottle...:zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

No it isn't.:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

SP is a non-pensionable payment, over and above the basic military salary, paid to certain groups in response to specific recruitment or retention factors. It is not a reward for particular skills or compensation for risk but a payment to encourage personnel to join, or remain in, certain trades.