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At last somebody got it ................ did you know you can have a debate and still inject banter into it :}

Echo, dear chap... I'm Airborne Aircrew... The other chap is Airborne Artist... Seems you get all in a tizzy when "airborne" is mentioned... You sure about the threesome? We promise not to co.... Never mind... ;)

TBT...

Sorry, that was crap... :p

AA
tick VG :D :D :D

When I saw the thread title "PJI Watch", I had images of Bill Oddy and Kate Humble in a hide at Brize with a couple of pairs of binos and a flask of tea...

How disappointing to find out what it really was...

Mmm, Humble....


Anyway, to stay slightly on topic I don't think there is much of a cogent argument for doing away with Airborne Forces, Special or Regular. Surely the salient question has to be why on earth are the Instructing staff drawn from a pool of RAF PTI's with no operationally relevant role? Could that job not be undertaken by people whose experience under a canopy goes beyond the candy floss and ice cream chomping public?

Airborne Aircrew.

Correction made, apologies to both Airborne chappies. Had a long day :O

The training and operational roles of the PJI are highly-skilled and are such that demand a full-time dedicated teacher to do so...according to all PJIs!

Candy-floss and ice cream munchers that they are, they can never get beyond their own role protectionism and egos. The hierarchy in PTS, all PJIs, is such that the deliverers of training, the Cpls and Sgts of this world, never seem to know what was going on during courses because the management would deliberately not tell them to keep then guessing???? Back biting nearly always ensued whenever I was there????

Anyway...it must be time for another of MGD's fine one-liners!

G:ok:

Echo:

No apology necessary. Everyone knows it's hard to distinguish one bronzed, Airborne God from another when you are dazzled by their personalities... :}

Airborne Aircrew,

Hate to say it mate but with a statement like that you could be mistaken for a PJI :)

I prefer the term Airborne Warrior, safe in the knowledge that no PJI has ever got close to the two-way range ;)

Rust?

CG:ok:

Charlie Golf
 

Its not bronze or rust........... I think that you will find that it is GINGER!:E

Noooo... They only think they're gods...

Good point, well made... :ok:

What is it with people who I don't appear to know referring to my hair colour and certain dubious odours of late... :hmm:

One does rather wonder, at times, whether PJIs oughtn't to be, for example, serving members of the paras who, for example, stroll down the back of the plane and jump out yelling 'follow me'.

Actually, in all honesty, I have never yet understood why the RAF has PTIs at all - during my service I just rather assumed the recruiting offices had some sort of remit that required them to sign up wannabe male models, and the PTI school was where these people were then sent.

I always thought they were quite unbalanced, frankly.

Dave

Bring back the Glider Rgts, I say. Get the VGS's to teach ab initio and get the BBMF Dak to tow 'em. Made of wood and balsa and paper and fabric and stuff makes them stealthy. Brilliant. I should be CAS, me. I'm wasted in this job. Brilliant.







What? What do you mean, get away from that pooter? Oh, allright nurse, allright, I will .......

Give it to the Para's.

Next thing the AAC will take over all small / medium Helo and all small fixed wing prop jets.

Keep what we've got. Perhaps a seperate trade group for the PJI's. All Blue jobs are vital to keep a hold of.

Wrong answer...

25 years ago the RAF Regiment were far more experienced in the air than the Parachute Regiment. The Paras were jumping a couple or three times a year if they were lucky. II Sqn. was doing an average of 10 per year. II Sqn was also the unit used to trial new stuff like the "stretched" C-130 and the "Wedge" then both.

I'm sure not much has changed in that regard.

That's ment to be a joke.

I work closely with the PJI's. I'm not Aircrew or linked to Para in anyway.

Even RAF Regt couldn't provide the skills (in the short term, anyone can learn new stuff granted) needed to teach all aspects of Mil jumping. Basic para stuff maybe but not the specialist stuff.

Why not privatise all para training? Once aforementioned soldier is on the ground then it's a new ball game, but the art of stepping out, retardation, steering and arrival is the same wherever you are? Once on the ground then the black and green death machine springs into action, whereas your civvy sports jumper goes to the bar. A few qualifing jumps off the ramp or via the para doors, fair enough, but could alot be done outwith the military? Many people learn to drive in the military via a civvy instructor first, followed by role/kit specific training after. Could the same be applied to para training?

Sorry...

I wasn't suggesting it be given to the Regiment either... They have a proper job... :)

I actually think that the training responsibility for military parachuting is best placed with the RAF. Firstly, parachuting requires aircraft. Unless you are going to give transports to the Army or the Marines parachute training will be impossible to complete. Too much backstabbing and infighting over scheduling. As it stands you have flying tasks for RAF personnel.

Also, can you imagine how much more insufferable the PARAs would be if they trained Marines and Gunners too?:E