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BEagle 23rd Mar 2011 22:42


The Air Force found Kopacek violated rules by flying too fast during three practice runs and the actual flyover, flying too close to ground level above a congested area, failing to report the altitude and speed deviation from the flight plan to superiors and making a false statement during the investigation
3 practice runs just to fly straight and level over a pretty obvious target? All of which bust limits (pretty wimpish limits, but nonetheless still briefed limits)...

Failing to report flying too low and fast? Oh come on - I cannot really imagine anyone saying "Oh, woe is me. I did fly lower and faster than I should have, oh master. I am unworthy; please flog me, for 'tis all I deserve!".

But making a false statement during the investigation. There is a code....:=

sycamore 23rd Mar 2011 23:16

Looked good though,dinnit ?

Alber Ratman 23rd Mar 2011 23:21

Looked good.. but cost him his job.. Bit stupid to lie IMHO. Ego trip too far? :E

Dimitris 24th Mar 2011 00:04

You've probably seen these also
 

Fox3WheresMyBanana 24th Mar 2011 00:35

Thank goodness I left before Youtube/every idiot having a video camera. It is the publicity that forces the senior ranks to act.

Especially grateful that Soviet warships didn't have video. Something about a 5 nm bubble? Sorry Sir, engineering graduate, 5 nm is 5 nanometres to me. Anyway, I was in close on my leader, and a bit higher, as briefed. Didn't really see much Sir. Best have a word with my Flight Commander Sir, he was 4 feet behind me.

Still have a photograph (remember those?) somewhere.

EESDL 24th Mar 2011 15:47

I think everyone concerned has missed the really safety issue here......and all you jocks concerned about correct formation pretty patterns should be ashamed of yourselves.....
it is quite clear from the video that the band conductor is not wearing adequate Personal Protection Equipment whilst working at height!

Shell Management 26th Mar 2011 17:42

This is another clear demonstration of the poor safety culture in the USAF, just like the C-17 crash in Alaska.

That none of the other pilots knocked off this stupid testorone trip reinforces that.

The fact the USAF has not looked at the poorleadership of the units just shows they continue to condone such excess.

drewyoming 8th Aug 2011 02:32

@ BEagle, 9 Jan: WTF?
 
Great post... right until you decided to throw monkus fecus at AMC and mobility crews. I haven't once heard of a 463L pallet loaded with vulcanized dog's leavings, but I'll keep an ear out...

Important to remember: a pilot's skill is not necessarily reflected by the type of aircraft they fly. To suggest otherwise is bovine scatology. Good day.

BEagle 8th Aug 2011 07:06

Following in the traditions of the US being late for WW1 and WW2 (although they've since made up for that by starting wars themselves pretty well ever since...), I note that it has taken you 7 months to reply to a jocular post I made in January, drewyoming.

Do try to catch up, old chap.

Trim Stab 8th Aug 2011 07:57

Greek F4s
 
I wonder what German tax-payers think about seeing their pensions spent like that?

Western coast 9th Aug 2011 16:02

"I note that it has taken you 7 months to reply to a jocular post I made in January, drewyoming"

Did you take note of his join date? C'mon Beag's.

drewyoming 10th Aug 2011 02:33

Again, why hate?
 
Valid: yes that thing you said was from a long time ago. I figured somebody with 18000 posts would probably notice a reply...

Again: why the mud-slinging, back-handed remarks about Always Midnight Command? Do try to stay on target, jockey bloke.

moggiee 10th Aug 2011 18:23


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 6184606)
Have you never seen TV coverage of the Remembrance Sunday ceremonies in London and elsewhere? No embarrassment in expressing gratitude for sacrifice there, I would say. But I would see a world of difference between that and wanting to shake the hand of every squaddie who happens to be passing by in uniform and thanking everyone who has ever donned their country's uniform. As I said, I regard my own service as being well-rewarded already without others thanking me for it.

Indeed - the difference between "Class" and "Cheese"*


* By "Cheese" I mean some tasteless, processed, plastic muck made by Kraft (tm) of course rather than a nice bit of Wensleydale.

BEagle 10th Aug 2011 19:51


Always Midnight Command?
Presumably MAC became AMC because too many people knew MAC as 'Might Arrive Command' following its earlier incarnation as MATS - 'Might Arrive Tomorrow Sometime'?

Enjoy your rubber dog$hit hauling!

drewyoming 17th Aug 2011 19:20

Got you BEagle
 
Next time I fly a load of vulcanized dooty, I'll remember to enjoy it. Hey, speaking of Vulcanized, I did a little snooping around and figured out what you did for a living. What's it like spending all of that time practicing and never ever flying a real op? Must seem like kind of a waste of a life...

Then again, there were the oh-so-useful Black Buck raids on the Falklands, that cratered the runways and forced the Argentine C-130s to land on taxiways and off-airport... kind of funny how resourceful those dog**** haulers can be when the going gets bombed. Cheerio!

BEagle 17th Aug 2011 20:20


What's it like spending all of that time practicing and never ever flying a real op? Must seem like kind of a waste of a life...
Ask one of your SAC colleagues - if you're brave enough!

Al R 18th Aug 2011 07:52


Then again, there were the oh-so-useful Black Buck raids on the Falklands, that cratered the runways and forced the Argentine C-130s to land on taxiways and off-airport... kind of funny how resourceful those dog**** haulers can be when the going gets bombed. Cheerio!
.. wasn't one of the objectives to make the airfield unusable to enemy fast jets, in order to reduce their time over the fleet? Did I read somewhere that the Argentinians then tried to install some ancient arrestor wire system, with little success?

Canadian Break 18th Aug 2011 16:03

Black Buck
 
Correctamundo

con-pilot 18th Aug 2011 16:46


Ask one of your SAC colleagues - if you're brave enough!
Why don't you ask some of these SAC crew members? If you can.

Mac’s Facts no


A total of 10 B-52s went down inside the borders of North Vietnam. 61 total crewmembers. 33 survivors became POWs and were released at the end of the war. 28 of the downed 61 warriors perished. (Information is listed above).



Sixteen other B52s went down outside of North Vietnam. Nine were due to combat. Seven were “operational losses,” which occurred while B52s were enroute to combat areas in Vietnam. (Information listed below).




phil9560 18th Aug 2011 21:07

Don't get too carried away Con-the V-Force more than played their part.

And you Drewyoming-you've read one book so extend the experience and read a few more.


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