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neilmac 8th Nov 2010 17:22

What a load of rubbish in the Inverness Courier
 
Please read, what planet does this woman live on?
We are better off without places like RAF Lossiemouth - The Inverness Courier

Pontius Navigator 8th Nov 2010 17:37

In absolute terms she is right

there are some forms of employment we are all better off without.

In my view, military employment is one of them. Working in a cigarette factory would be another.
To suggest that

Economic development in my own neck of the woods - Easter Ross - has been severely blighted by the daily sorties Lossiemouth-based aircraft make to Tain Bombing Range.
Is quite wrong. There is a vocal group at Tain that want to expand a caravan site on the approach path to Tain but equally there are others who owe their jobs to Tain, not just on the range buy tourists who gain pleasure from watching the activity.

Yes, it would be a better world if we had no military forces anywhere, if everyone got on with their neighbours, if there was no poverty of any sort to cause jealousy, and as Neil said, this ain't on Planet Earth.

david parry 8th Nov 2010 17:50

Send this little beauts up to Tain Range all with 8 x 1000lbs bombs underslung should wake the caravaners up;) http://usera.ImageCave.com/scouse/Lo...Line_up(2).jpg

A2QFI 8th Nov 2010 17:56

"That it's quite alright to viciously oppress innocent people living in other parts of the world." MMMM! That'll be Al Quaeeda and the Taliban then?

The military do not exist to provide a living for the inhabitants of any area of UK, least of all one with some degree of autonomy in its own affairs. If Moray want it let them keep it open.

davejb 8th Nov 2010 18:24

Met the woman a few times years ago,
left of Trotsky - no point arguing with her frankly. I do wonder how any vaguely responsible paper would publish such complete drivel against the flow like this - there's a difference between being seen to open up the discussion and merely shouting gibberish from the sidelines.

I would claim that the Courier had gone down in my estimation, but it was never that high to begin with....

draken55 8th Nov 2010 18:26

We are bound to be have more of such situations as our Armed Forces reduce in size.

Twenty years after the end of the Cold War, we still have much of the Army in Germany, due to the fact that is has been cheaper to base them there than in the UK. However, it now looks that surplus RAF Bases in Moray and Cottesmore/Wittering will end up as the new home for these troops by 2015.

Can't help but think that Devonport can't last for much longer either. Two Naval Bases for a couple of dozen surface ships is unjustifiable. The bulk of ships being paid off by 2015 are Devonport based so after the next Defence Review that could be it for Plymouth.

On a brighter note I was pleased to see that post SDR the Army will still have 3000 horses:ugh:

Rigga 8th Nov 2010 20:08

Surely this is a bun-fight of the lost?

Even if a 'commitment' is found (by which I mean 'Knee-jerk') to move someone to anywhere - by the time the dust of that move settles, in 5 years time, both Marham and Lossie Stations will be up for closure fights again.

...anyway, my bet's on Marham.

vecvechookattack 8th Nov 2010 20:19

The military do not exist to provide a living for the inhabitants of any area of UK





If only that were true..... If only

Wensleydale 8th Nov 2010 20:30


Twenty years after the end of the Cold War, we still have much of the Army in Germany, due to the fact that is has been cheaper to base them there than in the UK. However, it now looks that surplus RAF Bases in Moray and Cottesmore/Wittering will end up as the new home for these troops by 2015.
Not sure how keen the Army would be about having another camp just up the road from Fort George. Moray is also a fair distance away from the Army's traditional training grounds. I am sure that they would prefer something closer to Catterick, Stanford, or Salisbury Plain.....

draken55 8th Nov 2010 21:12

A Moray base would be for the Scottish squaddies some of whom are at present in Germany. There is a rumour that MOD is thinking of closing Fort George, the current Army base in the Scottish Highlands.

This whole process is a bit of a shambles. They should know what they want to do and get on with it. All they achieve by delaying any decision is to unsettle evryone that might be affected.

Finningley Boy 9th Nov 2010 06:26


A Moray base would be for the Scottish squaddies some of whom are at present in Germany. There is a rumour that MOD is thinking of closing Fort George, the current Army base in the Scottish Highlands.

This whole process is a bit of a shambles. They should know what they want to do and get on with it. All they achieve by delaying any decision is to unsettle evryone that might be affected.
Well exactly, I think the trouble is, that a firm proposal is put together, but as much as I hate to think of it, various people with vested interests then start to get involved. The a plan, which may have originally involved say moving aircraft from one base and closing another, gets thrown into the melting pot again because perhaps the local MP is able to have his or his constituents plight looked at more closely and successfully. Then a rehash is on the cards and before we know where we are, compromise and further hitherto unseen considerations are brought to light and on it goes. On top of which is the old you grease my palm and....

FB

Canadian Break 9th Nov 2010 16:31

Lossie
 
Well, if that nice Mr Salmond thinks that Scotland can "go it alone" it's only right that Westminster gives him a nice, clean airport to service the north of his nation..... isn't it?

Biggus 9th Nov 2010 16:36

....oh, you mean Aberdeen! :)

Canadian Break 9th Nov 2010 16:46

Doh.............:ugh:

Pontius Navigator 9th Nov 2010 17:00

FB, Schwarzkopf, in his biography, said that as an LTC ticket punching in the Pentagon, he had to decide which Army gases were to close.

He had to make his pitch to the different senators of States that were to lose a base.

After one presentation the senator said "Maa boy, that was the best god-damn dog and pony show that ah ever have received from the military, but let me tell you that as long as I draw breath you shall n e v e r close a base in maa state."

So, what is different?

A2QFI 9th Nov 2010 17:13

Doesn't the currently in use Inverness count too?

Green Flash 9th Nov 2010 17:27

If Lossie (or for that matter Leuchars) closes we will be left with but 1 military runway north of Leeming:eek:

Pontius Navigator 9th Nov 2010 17:33

Which one would that be then :) ?

Green Flash 9th Nov 2010 17:37

If Lossie closes - Leuchars; if Leuchars - Lossie








Oh FFS I don't beleive I just bit. Brain is going. Nice one PN

Pontius Navigator 9th Nov 2010 17:47

GF, I thought we were actually talking of Lossie as closed anyway, therefore both.

Let's withdraw south of the Humber.


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