Especially when they drop you at the door of your MQ home back at base and the missus finds out about this 'other' house on the other side of the country!
;)

xenolith -

Care to add a little more detail to the 'B@LL@CKS' call or do you just not like the RAF Plod having such powers?

:confused:

Substitute “UK Border Agency” for “RAF Police” and you can see that this is a thinly disguised cry for help from this young girl.

Come on guys, rally round – Simon is:

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I recall 'a bit of trouble' with a bunch of yoofs on a marriage patch a few moons ago. RAF plod declined to act stating it was for civvy police to intervene, civvy police said it was down to RAF plod as the patch was behind the wire.

Wouldn't have been so worrying but for the fact it involved threatening behaviour with knives.

Don't think RAF Pol have much in the way of powers off crown property. Given that 'real' Police can rarely justify a pursuit I wouldn't fancy a Snowdrops chance of doing so legitimately.

Lincs police won't allow Bs&2s.
On the way to a crash-site in the Humber a few years ago they even had to pay the Humber Bridge Toll - despite the fact that 1/2 way across the bridge they were no longer in Lincolnshire!!!!!

Just This Once

As your scenario is over simplistic twaddle and therefore, in military par’ lance, utter b@ll@cks there is no need to explain further. :hmm:

Such a detailed contribution.:rolleyes:

I do hate it when people sit on the fence. :ooh::ooh:

Night Porter
 

Thread Drift?
Beagle,

last night porter I recall was the chap at the Towers who announced the Whittle Hall film on sunday evening !

then of course ththere was that film with Charlotte Rampling - better take one of my pills!

Just don't forget that if a Snowdrop approaches you with a dog in tow then you should direct any and all comments towards the four legged side of the partnership.

You need to be talking to the one with the higher IQ!!

CS

Blues and Twos
 

As I understand it, military police have jurisdiction over a prescribed area around any military base, so they can stop anybody who is acting suspiciously even outside the wire. For those who are still serving in Germany, Civilian dependants used to be subject to military law (I am assuming that is still the same as well):{

I seem to remember that RAFP have as much power as a chocolate frog in any circumstances against civilians. They can't detain civvies (on or off camp) or try to pull them up unless they are inside the wire. They can only ask for 'real' police assistance or escort the wrongdoer off the camp/site.

MODplods have way more status.

Rigga, but they can shoot them :}

Surely they have the right to make a citizen's arrest, but who's court would it end up in? Also, don't the civvie emergency services have to obey the road traffic act? The blues and 2s may act as a warning to other traffic, but if they nail another vehicle after jumping a red light, it's down to them; at least, that's how I understand the regulations.

PN - I forgot they were sometimes armed - but even then, the armed ones I knew were too busy shooting themselves in their feet or legs.


Ali, Anyone can make a "citizens arrest" (but what exactly is that?) but you still can't imprison or detain anyone.

This came up on Arrse a little while back (although it was RMP not RAFP). It's not entirely correct to say that Service Police have zero power over civilians.

If the RMP/RAFP believe a person to be a servicemember, or the body has committed a crime on military property, they may arrest. Not a citizen's arrest, a full-blown handcuffs/back-of-the-van job.

If subsequently the arrestee proves to be a civvy, they will be released, and there is jack $hit they can do about the arrest in retrospect, as long as the Service Police can show that they had reason to believe it was a soldier/sailor/airman they nabbed.

Also, Service Police may arrest ex-servicemen for crimes committed while they were serving that come to light after discharge. Since the dischargee is now a civvy, again, the Service Police have powers over (certain) civvies in certain circumstances.

RAFP
 

In answer to the original post, RAFP cannot generally use blues and twos off site in this country. Germany and other areas have local rules.

There are/ were some exceptions where the local Chief Constable had authorised RAFP to use blues and twos off base. This was/ is usually due to the lack of civpol coverage in the area so they gain from the concession.

Empowering RAFP as specials would help with powers of arrest but would not help with lights and sirens as Specials can't use them either.

MOD Police are different as they are classed as a Home Office force.

Dependents
 

Also, the power of arrest over dependents only exists overseas.

Thre points to ponder:

1 - why did our RAFP have a cover to fit to their blue lights when transiting between camp and off-site MQ's ?

2 - why is it that if they detain a civvi, they must immediately call for Civ Pol assistance ?

3 - OK Redcaps, but in some garrison towns I have encountered patrols of one Military / O
one Civ Pol - covers all options ?