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Bigpants 7th Apr 2018 09:42

Legality?
 

Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10100369)
Bigpants,

Just what on earth do you think Op Shader is all about? The RAF is flying Typhoon and Tornado strikes from Akrotiri hitting ISIS targets in Iraq and mainly now Syria daily, RAF flown Reapers are doing a similar thing from Kuwait, also daily. Some appetite...

And at home we combat extremism via the Police and intelligence folk, who are doing a terrific job of foiling and preventing attacks.

Could you explain to assorted readers the legal basis for bombing Syria from Cyprus? Do you seriously believe a Labour Government led by Jezza is going to condone or continue to bomb Syria using the F35 from a Carrier or Akrotiri?

The times they are a changing....in the USA Trump is talking about withdrawal from Syria.

ORAC 7th Apr 2018 09:48


Could you explain to assorted readers the legal basis for bombing Syria from Cyprus?
Legal basis for UK military action in Syria - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

Brat 7th Apr 2018 14:23


Originally Posted by Niner Lima Charlie (Post 10102468)
F-35: Still No Finish Line in Sight. 17 years in development, over budget, not ready.

F-35: Still No Finish Line in Sight

Finishing up with..."Despite all of the effort, time, and money—17 years and over $133 billion—spent to date on the F-35 program, it is doubtful it will ever live up to the lavish promises made all those years ago when the Defense Department and Congress committed to the program. Hidden within the pages of the DOT&E report is this litotic summation:

“Finally and most importantly, the program will likely deliver Block 3F [the untested, allegedly “fully combat-capable” F-35 model now entering production] to the field with shortfalls in capabilities the F-35 needs in combat against current threats.”


Whether it will live up to 'lavish promises’ or suffer shortfalls in 'anticipated capabilities’ might just be countered with... is it flying? Can it do a specific tasks that up till now was not possible? Is it a credible counter to similar type threats being developed by enemies?

Lyneham Lad 9th Apr 2018 16:10

Further signs of progress. Will U.S. Navy’s F-35 Be Ready On Time? (Aviation Week Network).

Extract:-

The U.S. Navy’s USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier will be headed to sea loaded with war-ready F-35Cs for the first time in 2021, if all goes according to plan.

But the F-35C carrier variant has a long road ahead before it can kick off its first operational deployment.

The Navy version of Lockheed Martin’s new fighter has made major progress over the last year. The “Rough Raiders” of VFA-125, the “Grim Reapers” of VFA-101 as well as VX-9 recently completed carrier qualifications on the USS Abraham Lincoln, greenlighting the first nine F-35C pilots to take off and land. At NAS Lemoore, California, the “Argonauts” of VFA-147, which will support the 2021 deployment, in February began their transition to the F-35C.

The JPO is working to implement three hardware fixes
The Navy will not declare the F-35C combat-ready until it demonstrates 3F capability during IOT&E
IOC will likely happen in 2019
The Navy will continue working on interoperability, communications and weapons integration
Meanwhile, the Joint Program Office (JPO) has resolved three major deficiencies on the F-35C: a “green glow” that obscures pilots’ vision during nighttime carrier landings; violent vertical oscillations during carrier launches; and overloading of the wings when carrying Raytheon’s AIM-9X air-to-air missiles, the aircraft’s primary dogfighting weapons.

Heathrow Harry 9th Apr 2018 16:32

"Whether it will live up to 'lavish promises’ or suffer shortfalls in 'anticipated capabilities’ might just be countered with... is it flying? Can it do a specific tasks that up till now was not possible? Is it a credible counter to similar type threats being developed by enemies?"

and of course - how many can we afford............. I don't think anyone thinks it won't see service but the numbers look like a lot less than originally hoped for......

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Lyneham Lad 10th Apr 2018 14:51

RAAF takes its first F-35As with block 3F software
 
On Flight Global today.

Snip:-

The Royal Australian Air Force has taken delivery of three Lockheed Martin F-35A fighters at Luke AFB in Arizona.

The three aircraft are equipped with the type’s block 3F software, a more capable version than the 3I software installed in its first two examples, says Australia's defence minister Marise Payne.

“These latest aircraft are fitted with the program’s final software system, which unlocks the aircraft’s full war-fighting potential including weapons, mission systems and flight performance.”

She adds that Australia is the first international partner to accept jets with Block 3F software.
Any F-35Bs with Block 3F yet?

pr00ne 10th Apr 2018 18:44

Bigpants,

Someone has already posted UN resolution 2249, not that the UK needs anything of the sort for the actions it and a good proportion of the rest of the West is taking daily over Syria and Iraq.

As to Trump and withdrawing from Syria, I think you may just be a little out of touch on that...

Brat 11th Apr 2018 12:32


Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry (Post 10112346)
"Whether it will live up to 'lavish promises’ or suffer shortfalls in 'anticipated capabilities’ might just be countered with... is it flying? Can it do a specific tasks that up till now was not possible? Is it a credible counter to similar type threats being developed by enemies?"

and of course - how many can we afford............. I don't think anyone thinks it won't see service but the numbers look like a lot less than originally hoped for......

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Since we seem to have progressed beyond the title of this thread, one could then reply that however many it is, it will be better than none.

Some information on what it may mean to us.https://rusi.org/sites/default/files...e_f-35_web.pdf

ORAC 12th Apr 2018 05:58

Assume a couple of million an airframe. What the hell, what’s $400M in the F-35 program....

Defense Department halts F-35 deliveries amid repair bill disagreement with Lockheed

glad rag 12th Apr 2018 07:49


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10115363)
Assume a couple of million an airframe. What the hell, what’s $400M in the F-35 program....

Defense Department halts F-35 deliveries amid repair bill disagreement with Lockheed

What a Shambles.

Lyneham Lad 13th Apr 2018 12:23

F-35 completes developmental flight testing
 
On Aviation Analysis Wing:-


The F-35 program has accomplished the final developmental test flight of the System Development and Demonstration (SDD) phase of the program.

Since the first flight of AA-1 in 2006, the developmental flight test program has operated for more than 11 years mishap-free, conducting more than 9,200 sorties, accumulating over 17,000 flight hours, and executing more than 65,000 test points to verify the design, durability, software, sensors, weapons capability and performance for all three F-35 variants.

While SDD required flight test is now complete, F-35 flight testing continues in support of phased capability improvements and modernization of the F-35 air system.

The final SDD flight occurred April 11, 2018, at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., when Navy test aircraft CF-2 completed a mission to collect loads data while carrying external 2,000-pound GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) and AIM-9X Sidewinder heat-seeking missles.

From flight sciences to mission systems testing, the critical work completed by F-35 test teams cleared the way for the Block 3F capability to be delivered to the operational warfighter. More than a thousand SDD flight test engineers, maintainers, pilots and support personnel took the three variants of the F-35 to their full flight envelope to test aircraft performance and flying qualities.

Bigpants 13th Apr 2018 16:06

2249
 

Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10113637)
Bigpants,

Someone has already posted UN resolution 2249, not that the UK needs anything of the sort for the actions it and a good proportion of the rest of the West is taking daily over Syria and Iraq.

As to Trump and withdrawing from Syria, I think you may just be a little out of touch on that...

What caught my eye was this chaps....it does not clearly authorise states to use force.

Although Resolution 2249 (2015) on ISIS/Daesh in Syria and Iraq, passed on 20 November 2015, is about the use of force, it does not clearly authorise states to use force. It seems intended to have more political than legal impact, particularly in displaying a unanimity that had previously been notably lacking.

Bigpants 13th Apr 2018 16:10

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...a-8793642.html

glad rag 13th Apr 2018 16:28


Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad (Post 10116997)

Was the initially deferred testing, the testing that lagged IOT [:oh:], or the testing that followed the weight reduction program [I might not have got those in the right order]?



So what happens about the Block 4 testing, the testing that's done after the processor redesign [ :hmm:] and software writing [:hmm::hmm::hmm:] to allow FULL employment of ALL capabilities [sic] of the aircraft in a FULL warfighting role? [their description not mine]



So testing isn't REALLY finished, is it.


:zzz:

Heathrow Harry 13th Apr 2018 16:44

11 years and still not finished.....................

the Siege of Troy took less time......

ORAC 14th Apr 2018 07:11

The F-35 Hits A Key Developmental Milestone, But With Watered-Down Requirements

glad rag 14th Apr 2018 15:13

Quote
the F-35 project is making real progress, the manner in which it has occurred is yet another example of official pronouncements employing obtuse and “technically correct” verbiage that can obscure the obvious and still significant issues that project faces. This only diminishes the impact of positive news that emerges since it is immediately bogged down in caveats and asterisks...

...including aircraft the Air Force and Marine Corps have already committed to combat operations without the benefit of independent IOT&E tests, could also lead to both embarrassment and more dangerous miscalculations in the future....

Brat 14th Apr 2018 23:22

For the usual whinging nellies.


glad rag 15th Apr 2018 08:14

Just back from delivering a political message in downtown Damascus?


What a colossal waste of money.

Brat 15th Apr 2018 17:34

From your point of view!


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