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mattyj 1st Sep 2017 11:17

F-35's, Strike Eagles and B-1B's all out turning the Korean soil in preparation for potato planting I guess..does that mean the 35's are fully operational and ready to be let loose against little Kim?

Pali 4th Sep 2017 13:05

Slovakia as a NATO member uses ageing Mig29s which we have since Warsaw pact era. There is an ongoing discussion on replacing them. So far the most probable candidate would be Gripen also because Czech Air Force uses them and both countries cooperate traditionally quite tight in the area. (There is an agreement in existence where both countries can cover the neighbours airspace at times if needed.)

Today I saw an article about F16 as another candidate. But because it is expected that Russia could introduce 5th generation fighter in the next future the speculation is that we should jump from Mig29 directly to F-35. I almost spoiled my keyboard with coffee reading this as I don't know what happens with this jet at all and secondly due the traditionally low defence budget I consider this rather unlikely.

Any ideas?

SASless 7th Sep 2017 11:41

It would seem there are some who think the USMC should get out of Aviation altogether....and rid itself of the F-18 and F-35....and pass those roles on to the US Navy.


USMC should drop the F-35 and V-22 ? and perhaps the F-18 while it?s at it ? Foreign Policy

Lonewolf_50 7th Sep 2017 16:17

@SASless: Douchewads like that have been singing a similar song for a few decades.


The USMC does combined arms warfare right , and the rest of the Joint Forces community ought to pay closer attention to how they do it. Ricks is citing a number of "thought pieces" that amount to throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing if it sticks. (I agree with Ricks, however, that Shoe is less likely to be right about the UAV thing ...)
I long ago stopped my subscription to USNI Proceedings, which I had had delivered to me for over 20 years. Why? Quality degradation.

George K Lee 7th Sep 2017 19:02

In which LW50 summarizes the quality of any discussion of Marine air power.

Lonewolf_50 7th Sep 2017 20:25


Originally Posted by George K Lee (Post 9885300)
In which LW50 summarizes the quality of any discussion of Marine air power.

Having worked the Joint Forces Air piece both with, and without, folding in the USMC in various operations I find aviators of all sorts quite air minded. What I find most pronounced is how the Marines "get" combined arms warfare" better than the others. The Organic Marine Aviation in a given MAGTF works very well, and fits into the Joint fight very well.

Not sure what your experience is in the combined arms fight in sizes small, medium, and large. (The Marines stay out of the "bomber command" bit but are keenly interested in the interdiction and strike pieces, since that shapes the battlefield).

SpazSinbad 7th Sep 2017 23:28

Apparently F-35 pilots do not wear oxy mask at all times when on ground. Our A4G SOP was to don it as soon as strapped in and take it off when unstrapping when chocked engine off in the line.

"...Painstaking investigations are still underway, looking at the state of the aircraft, pilot, and environmental conditions in every incident, but there seem to be two causes, both solvable...." JPO Fixing F-35 Oxygen, Carrier Landing, Software Glitches: VADM Winter « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

SASless 8th Sep 2017 02:29

Until recently, a small navy airfield near a river was conducting tests on an unmanned aircraft.....which makes me suspect Pilotless aircraft are still being considered even if not being touted too loudly in public.

But then....a lot of stuff goes on that doesn't exist doesn't it.

Sort of like meeting someone and having to do the "where do I not know you from...." routine before chatting in public.

SpazSinbad 8th Sep 2017 03:51

Fixes for 'green glow' have improved the view with more to come perhaps....?

"..."They had a very productive day," he said. "We had the test pilots wearing the new helmet with the new organic LED configuration to assess the green-glow fix." Green-glow typically occurs at night and makes it difficult for pilots to see certain objects. The Navy deems the O-LED helmet "acceptable," but Winter said the new configuration needs to be tested in darker conditions at sea." https://insidedefense.com/insider/na...hurricane-irma

SpazSinbad 11th Sep 2017 12:40

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You can drag the video slider to MINUTE 20 to see 'Brick' Wilson tell tall tales & true of the legendary F-35C at HOOK17:

https://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2...deos/162471073 [F-35C bombed up in JPG is going faster than Mach 1]

From MINUTE 31:20sec there is a clip showing what the F-35C pilot sees through the HMDS (now with 'optical tracking' whatever that means) and other stuff.

Overall the F-35C test pilot segment of the video is 18 minutes long from minute 20 into the video itself - slide slider to it.

SpazSinbad 12th Sep 2017 05:34



tucumseh 12th Sep 2017 09:25

Today..... I confess, I can't recall the allegations mentioned. These notifications are usually sent out well in advance, inviting relevant evidence. An hour's notice ain't much!





Tuesday 12 September 2017

The Grimond Room, Portcullis House

Witnesses:

At 11.30am
· Deborah Haynes, Defence Editor, The Times
· Alexi Mostrous, Head of Investigations, The Times

At 12.15pm
· Justin Bronk, Research Fellow, RUSI

This is the first oral evidence session for the Committee’s inquiry into F-35 procurement. The Committee will focus on the F-35 joint strike fighter and, in particular, the allegations made by The Times during its investigation into the F-35 earlier this year.

t43562 12th Sep 2017 16:50

Parliamentlive.tv - Defence Committee

SpazSinbad 12th Sep 2017 21:27

Difficult to see difference in initial bobble during cat stroke but reports on fix are good.


ORAC 13th Sep 2017 06:59

Government of Canada: F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Aircraft with Support | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

WASHINGTON, Sep. 12, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Canada of ten (10) F/A-18E Super Hornet aircraft, with F414-GE-400 engines; eight (8) F/A-18F Super Hornet aircraft, with F414-GE-400 engines; eight (8) F414-GE-400 engine spares; twenty (20) AN/APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars; twenty (20) M61A2 20MM gun systems; twenty-eight (28) AN/ALR-67(V)3 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Receiving Sets; fifteen (15) AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods; twenty (20) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems–Joint Tactical Radio System (MIDS-JTRS); thirty (30) Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS); twenty-eight (28) AN/ALQ-214 Integrated Countermeasures Systems; one hundred thirty (130) LAU-127E/A and or F/A Guided Missile Launchers; twenty-two (22) AN/AYK-29 Distributed Targeting System (DTS); twenty-two (22) AN/AYK-29 Distributed Targeting Processor (DTP); one hundred (100) AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Block II Tactical Missiles; thirty (30) AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Block II Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM); eight (8) AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Block II Special Air Training Missiles (NATM); twenty (20) AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Block II Tactical Guidance Units; sixteen (16) AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Block II CATM Guidance Units. Also included in this sale are AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVG); AN/ALE-47 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Systems; AN/ARC-210 Communication System; AN/APX-111 Combined Interrogator Transponder; AN/ALE-55 Towed Decoys; Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS); AN/PYQ-10C Simple Key Loader (SKL); Data Transfer Unit (DTU); Accurate Navigation (ANAV) Global Positioning System (GPS) Navigation; KIV-78 Duel Channel Encryptor, Identification Friend or Foe (IFF); CADS/PADS; Instrument Landing System (ILS); Aircraft Armament Equipment (AAE); High Speed Video Network (HSVN) Digital Video Recorder (HDVR); Launchers (LAU-115D/A, LAU-116B/A, LAU-118A); flight test services; site survey; aircraft ferry; auxiliary fuel tanks; aircraft spares; containers; storage and preservation; transportation; aircrew and maintenance training; training aids and equipment, devices and spares and repair parts; weapon system support and test equipment; technical data Engineering Change Proposals; technical publications and documentation; software; avionics software support; software development/integration; system integration and testing; U.S. Government and contractor engineering technical and logistics support; Repair of Repairable (RoR); repair and return warranties; other technical assistance and support equipment; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total case value is $5.23 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on September 11, 2017.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by helping to improve the security of a NATO ally which has been, and continues to be, a key democratic partner of the United States in ensuring peace and stability. The acquisition of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aircraft, associated weapons and capability will allow for greater interoperability with U.S. forces, providing benefits for training and possible future coalition operations in support of shared regional security objectives.........

SpazSinbad 14th Sep 2017 01:15

Apparently the US Congress needs to approve the Canadian Super Hornet buy also. Anyways here is an RN CMDR describing the PaxRiver Ski Jumps etc.

"...With over 10 years of Harrier experience, Cdr Gray has conducted numerous operations from both land and sea, but only recently experienced how the F-35B performs a Ski-Jump take-off:

“With both the Sea Harrier FA2 and to a lesser extent the Harrier GR7/9/AV8B, the pilot was very much in-the-loop and had to execute near-perfect timing and control to safely execute a Ski-Jump launch. With the F-35B, the whole experience is much more controlled and predictable with the majority of the launch autonomous, allowing the pilot to focus on the mission ahead rather than being distracted by the launch.”

Each F-35 Developmental Test aircraft is able to capture a significant amount of detailed engineering information about each flight test, being equipped with flight science technologies including specially-designed landing gear to capture all necessary test data. Testing occurs daily with particular focus on aircraft configuration, weight and wind flight envelope (which is the combination of speed, altitude and angle of attack when a flying object is aerodynamically stable).... 12 Sep 2017 https://ukcarrierpower.tumblr.com/po...ted-test-force

t43562 18th Sep 2017 10:51

Seems odd that Stryker II is supposed to be less advanced than the F-35 helmet but apparently has colour already and optical tracking that the F-35 is apparently only just getting because of accuracy (or precision?) issues.

George K Lee 18th Sep 2017 13:16

It's the difference between starting out to invent to spec in 2001, and finding >10 years later that Big Tech is doing all the work for you. Phones in 2001 didn't have inertial reference systems.

Also, the JSF spec insisted on IR, which meant off-helmet sensors. The low-light capability of small CCDs has come a long way since then. And I believe Stryker is designed to work with a HUD, not as a substitute for HUD, so the extreme-assured-accuracy requirements can be left to something that's bolted to the airplane.

PS Did they call it Stryker because we can all count on it?

2805662 18th Sep 2017 16:11


Originally Posted by George K Lee (Post 9895558)

PS Did they call it Stryker because we can all count on it?

I guess "Ted" was already taken?

SpazSinbad 18th Sep 2017 17:17

Some changes to F-35 Oxygen Mask and Survival Gear Reduction in Weight for PEs.

Pilot Breathing Issues Prompt Changes To F-35 Mask, Vest | AFA National Convention content from Aviation Week


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