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Mach Two 4th Dec 2011 13:27

The closure DIN in BPOM was an excellent evening. Now we know how you paid for it!! :rolleyes:

Silksaheen 4th Dec 2011 16:17

Lord Dowding locomotive nameplate
 
It was valued at £60,000, but as yet the RAF have not paid.

Silksaheen 4th Dec 2011 16:21

Lord Dowding nameplate
 
No they have not, their curator of exhibits is a ‘live steam’ enthusiast and has a mine of useful information on locomotives including all the Battle of Britain class.

Silksaheen 4th Dec 2011 16:34

Lord Dowding nameplate
 
Where did you have the LORD DOWDING nameplate copied?
The RAF Police enquiry did not find where the copy was made as far as I know, and the CAS wrote saying the original was last recorded in the Mess records at RAF Bentley Priory in 1992.
It did not come back to the owner in France.

Mach Two 4th Dec 2011 17:17

Whatever you do, don't answer that question. I know a good solicitor.

Silksaheen 4th Dec 2011 17:20

Bentley Priory and Lord Dowding memorabilia.
 
Bentley Priory and Lord Dowding memorabilia.
The chairman of the Bentley Priory Battle of Britain Trust http://www.bentleypriory.org/ is in contact with the owner of the Lord Dowding memorabilia previously on lone to the RAF.
Renovation of the Priory mansion is now in progress.
Details of the locomotive and nameplate can be seen here: http://svsfilm.com/nineelms/dowding.htm

1.3VStall 4th Dec 2011 19:14

Silk,

There are a number of replica nameplate manufacturers - Google Newton Replicas for one - so having a "copy" made is not difficult.

£60,000 valuation is over the top for a BoB nameplate, nearer £30,000 would be more realistic.

sisemen 5th Dec 2011 01:03


Now where's my screwdriver?
Fleetingly entertained the thought of 'liberating' the ones dotted around Biggin Hill when I went for my OASC selection. However, it probably wouldn't have boded well for my commissioned future :E

I can vouch for Newton Replicas. They really are the biz

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c9...7/P1120009.jpg

jamesdevice 5th Dec 2011 07:14

what happened to the coat of arms? And presumably theres a second name plate somewhere? They always came in pairs..

Silksaheen 7th Dec 2011 14:47

Lord Dowding nameplate
 
In terms of Railwayana valuation, after the Winston Churchill nameplates (that are on the locomotive preserved in the museum in York); Lord Dowding is the next valuable. I was with Lord Dowding when he named the first two B of B class locos: http://www.itnsource.com/jp/shotlist/BHC_RTV/1947/09/15/BGU410250020/
In addition, 34052 LORD DOWDING was the last B of B class to run on British Rail on 9 July 1967, marking the end of steam on Southern Region. Westbury 9.7.67 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
The fireman’s (right-hand) nameplate was stolen while the locomotive was still in service and it is said was buried by a railway worker and some decade later was sold to a private collector.
Also, the name of Lord Dowding adds value to collectors of military, especially RAF memorabilia, as he was the man who devised the unique air defence system of the United Kingdom, the ‘Dowding System’, (still used today in modern form) that saved his country from invasion by a far greater military opponent.
A BBC recording with Lord Dowding at his home in Tunbridge Wells about the Battle of Britain: BBC - Archive - WWII: The Battle of Britain - Air Chief Marshal Hugh C Dowding
He was crippled with arthritis and died just a couple of years later on 15 February 1970. His remains are interred in the RAF Chapel, Westminster Abbey: Hugh Dowding - Westminster Abbey

NutLoose 27th Apr 2018 11:56

Recast of the Spitfire one here

SpitfireSpares.com - warbird Miscellaneous

jolihokistix 27th Apr 2018 14:47

It came up for sale a few months ago, lot number 3149 at a sale at Tennants, The Auction centre, Leyburn in North Yorkshire with an estimate of 30~40,000 GBP. I believe the police were involved and the sale was stopped... ?

NutLoose 27th Apr 2018 15:27

Found it, cool, I hope the owner has been reaquainted with his property, or did the RAF pay out?
https://www.tennants.co.uk/Catalogue/Lots/402120.aspx

Silksaheen 27th Apr 2018 15:44

Lord Dowding locomotive nameplate found.
 

Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 10131833)
It came up for sale a few months ago, lot number 3149 at a sale at Tennants, The Auction centre, Leyburn in North Yorkshire with an estimate of 30~40,000 GBP. I believe the police were involved and the sale was stopped... ?

Correct, police investigations continue

Silksaheen 29th Jan 2019 21:43

London police are holding the Dowding nameplate as evidence and two suspects, one for the theft and another for receiving stolen property. The case is awaiting a reply from the CPS.

Silksaheen 8th Oct 2019 15:41

Lord Dowding locomotive nameplate
 
Trial of two suspects, one for theft and the other for receiving stolen property begins at Harrow Crown Court, Monday 4 November 2019 expected to run for 4 days.

dctyke 9th Oct 2019 11:35

I regularly type ‘RAF Silver’ on eBay (highest price first) and many times wonder, how the hell did they get hold of that!

jolihokistix 9th Oct 2019 21:56

Many thanks for the update on this, Silksaheen.

Whenurhappy 10th Oct 2019 16:39


Originally Posted by dctyke (Post 10590260)
I regularly type ‘RAF Silver’ on eBay (highest price first) and many times wonder, how the hell did they get hold of that!

A few years ago I went to the Defence Disposals Store at Rosyth and bought new MOD silver cutlery, a soup ladle with an RAF pilot's badge on the tang, and three RAF napkins rings. In case there's doubt, the receipt is with my will...


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