A spokesman is quoted: ""We can confirm that an incident has occurred "

Does the fact that it is termed an "incident" rather than an accident suggest they are keeping open the possibility that it was deliberate? Otherwise, why not just say an accident.

252 is not shown as a current team aircraft so it may be an old photo.
RAF Red Arrows - The Hawk Aircraft

There is a generalised train of thought to get away from the term "Accident".
In Police circles, the definition RTA (Road Traffic Accident) has now been moved to RTC (Road Traffic Collision).

No-one for one minute will be suggesting that this was a deliberate act. These guys are the cream of the crop of RAF pilots, but due to the nature of their performance, there is always the chance of an incident, particularly in training where new maneouvres are being undertaken and new Reds are being brought on board.

Let's wish the injured pilot a speedy recovery, and hopefully with it being so early in the season, they'll be able to bring in a replacement Red without too much disruption. I assume they'll have a "reserve" pilot for incidents such as this? Will they just go on practising using the Red 10 aircraft now? Can they shuffle a new Hawk from training duties @ Valley or somewhere else as a replacement aircraft?

finfly1 you are just being pedantic and nit picking. Why do you feel the need to do it?

All accidents are incidents - it's just that all incidents aren't accidents. A pic of the one that lost.

Red_Arrows_Hawk_Crash.jpg (image)

finfly1 - would the use of the word "incident" refer to the fact that they were intentionally undertaking dangerous display flying where a collision could occur (and in this case did)?

These guys are the best in the world. So lets all just hope they are both are OK.

Describing such events as a 'collision' or 'incident' are an avoidance of initial blame (until proven otherwise). Stops the "have you had an accident?" types getting excited about a claim and commission.

Troddenmasses - I think that's an old photo. It has an old livery.

That pic was taken in 1998

This is the Reds 2010 Team...

RED 1 - Sqn Ldr Ben Murphy (from Loughborough)
RED 2 - Flt Lt Ben Plank (Worcestershire)
RED 3 - Flt Lt Kirsty Moore (Lincolnshire)
RED 4 - Flt Lt Dave Davies (Colwyn Bay, Wales)
RED 5 - Flt Lt Zane Sennett (Lincolnshire)
RED 6 - Flt Lt Mike Ling (Kent)
RED 7 - Flt Lt David Montenegro (Kent)
RED 8 - Sqn Ldr Graham Duff (Cumbria)
RED 9 - Flt Lt Simon Rea (New Zealand)
RED 10 (and Road Manager) - Sqn Ldr Graeme Bagnall (Cumbria)

Let's hope it's not Red 3 that crashed or else it'll give the anti-female aviator lobby ammunition.

ok is that pic the one circulating and being passed off as the greek crash? Do they not realise that an aircraft that crashed on land and one ejected and crashed into sea are too different things?

The RAF report on the '98 crash of 252 has the aircraft destroyed by the impact

Having spent a portion of my miss spent youth performing for the "ice cream lickers" I still have the impresion that this is just what a portion of the crowd come to see, I made a habit of doning civies and wandering amoungst them and engageing in conversation, most interesting to say the least, human nature I gues.

Reuters now reporting "broken legs", according to a Greek official, FWIW:

Two Red Arrows jets collide over Crete | World | Reuters

For what it's worth, troddenmasses is right. Anything non-standard can be described as an "incident".

An "accident" (as defined in UK Air Law) is, if memory serves, an incident in which anyone is injured, or the aircraft is substantially damaged.

Media definitions, however, are presumably the product of their fertile imaginations...

Best wishes to them both for a speedy recovery; it always stops your heart hearing news like this.

A local interviewed on R5L seemed to give a coherent account... and from that I would suggest it involved 2 "more experienced" members of the team, possibly proceeding in opposite directions :oh:

NoD

"synchro pair" from BBC reporter located at Scampton

IIRC the synchro pair are Reds 6 & 7.