Broon makes a boo boo
 

The Glorious Leader has been telling porkies!

BBC News - Brown admits mistake on defence spending evidence

Only just discovered that bit !

So the oone eyed nostril miner says that the UOR's were always met.

The point that they should have been in the equipment prior to start seems to have slipped him by then.

muppet.

Get him back in front of the chilcot inquiry and keel haul the lying ****!

Not surprised, I would not believe a word that came out of his lying mouth on any subject on any day! Son of the Manse! Maybe by birth but not by the way he conducts his life day to day!

More to the point, while he wibbles about increases in cash terms, the actual question needs to be "was it enough to fight two wars, well above the force levels and durations in the planning assumptions, without starving all non-Herrick/Telic deployed forces and equipment programmes of funds and training"?

They always say liars have to have good memories,the Broon one has obviously just remembered.What I can't think is why he's taken so long remembering seeing he's such a good liar ?
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Whats the point in that? It wouldn't be a UOR then, would it?

Vec,

is that a waahh, or are you really a grade A monkey spanker?

How could it be a UOR if we already had it in service? Remember which budget UOR's come from and what purpose they provide.

I think the general thrust is that if we were properly equipped from the outset, we wouldnt need to go throwing in UOR's when its already too late.

Not sure a debate over the definition of UOR's was what Cornish was looking for. But hey, thanks anyway.

Totally understood but my point was that UOR's are good things. They don't come out of the MOD budget and they are a cheap and quick method of obtaining equipment that is needed in a particular theatre. We cannot afford to equip ourselves with all the kit we need for every theatre and every eventuality and so UOR's provide a very useful tool for getting us the right kit quickly.

Hey Vec

Unfortunately, the civil serpents in the Treasury want the money spent on UORs back, look on it as a bankers loan without interest, but still has to come out of the MoD budget. In other words a cut in defence spending or sell off the equipment purchased under UOR

Agree. But perhaps lessons regarding kit identified in Iraq circa 2003, shouldnt still be issues in Afg in 2010?

Take IEDs and other methods assymetric warfare. It was a no brainer that successful ef tactics from Iraq would eventually migrate to afg. Yet people were still dying in snatch landrovers in 2008/9. That should have been sorted straight away, and not just on a UOR. If it takes seven years, I would question the use of the term 'urgent'.

"The urgent operational requirements that were asked for by our forces were always met."

My bold.

A classic case of being economical with the truth. He failed to mention the six month moratorium on submissions to the IAB. Don't ask, don't get.

His comment is in any case disingenuous, if not downright deceitful.

He talked about defence spending being above inflation, but that is the general rate of inflation. It seems pretty clear that defence sector inflation was well above that. Thus, once cash for the shiny toys had been taken out of the equation, there was actually less to spend on other stuff.

Plus, he said that "in one or two years blah blah". The Beeb showed that 4 years had below inflation spending growth.

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Well if the Beeb - once referred to in 2002 as the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation by a very senior officer - are attacking the Government over Defence then Broon must really be on the skids.....:ok:

This is old news now but salient to the current “debate”; http://www.defencemanagement.com/feature_story.asp?id=11327 It was already the case that stores/equipment introduced through UORs had to be supported in service from the core Budget. The consequences of that are particularly evident to the Navy.

I think Brown the Humourless had 2 choices; miraculously cure himself of selective amnesia or directly call Kevin Tebbit and ACM Stirrup liars.

Teeteringhead:
Yes, maybe I should have said "Even the BBC...