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Pontius Navigator 25th Feb 2010 11:07


Originally Posted by Mr C Hinecap (Post 5534916)
The concept isn't flawed but the language might be.

Quite. :)
:)

Shack37 25th Feb 2010 11:09

Wouldn't a typo for fellowship would it? As in Band of Brothers:confused:

NutLoose 25th Feb 2010 11:40


Shack37 Wouldn't a typo for fellowship would it? As in Band of Brothershttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gif
More like Fellowship as in "Fellowship of the Ring" where you get a bunch of Dwarves, Trolls, and Hobbits all running around trying to have a look at Frodo Baggins's Ring.......:p

Wyler 25th Feb 2010 11:55

How about 'Wallowship' - The ability to float above the ever increasing tsunami of crap pamphlets, petty rules regarding E&D, H&S, initiatives, Human Factors, posters telling you not to get your kn*b out in the crewroom and inclusion policies.

It is all boll*cks. Not to mention the ever changing shift rosters to cope with the latest bout of egg fertilisation leading to paid time off.


Grrrrrr

taxydual 25th Feb 2010 12:16

Followship

The ability, of the remaining aircraft (of a multiple aircraft formation), to follow the formation leader by also crashing into a mountain.

noprobs 25th Feb 2010 12:28

An example of followership was in the events leading up to the Nimrod ditching. With a diagnosed fire, the aircraft captain was heading for a runway, using the information directly available to him. However, a junior member of the crew who could see the progress of the fire had the confidence to interject his more urgent knowledge to the captain's already very busy decision-making process, leading to the bold decision to ditch so close to a runway, despite the limited chance of a safe outcome. It was subsequently thought that they probably wouldn't have made it to the runway before the rest of the wing root burned through.

It's all part of CRM in our world, but can be applicable in many situations.

Phoney Tony 25th Feb 2010 16:21

How about performance as a:

Subordinate.
Team member.

These are words defined in a dictionary and thus are less likely to be incorrectly used.

However,...along with P-N comment - invent something new then stand back and left the noise die down.

Some phrases/terms for this years OJARs:

X successfully repurposed processes and systems that were not working and repurposed them thus achievanating the aim.

Presenteeism - being at work.

Internot - poor use of IT.

Latterati - always found in the coffee bar.

Mouse potato - couch potatoes of the internet generation

Multislacking - to do several different types of very little at once.

Assmosis - brown-nosing abilities rather than your ability to do your job. Also known as suck-cession.

UpShutter 25th Feb 2010 17:33

I believe it's a nautical term, first coined to describe the actions of sea birds flying behind cross channel ferries. :rolleyes:

Whenurhappy 25th Feb 2010 17:39

Ignore this post...I can't find to a way to dete this post in toto!

Rigger1 25th Feb 2010 17:43

Haddon Cave page 481 -

Additionally, the presumptive language of ‘management speak’ and ‘JPA civvie-speak’ is alienating our personnel – at all levels interviewed. ...”

Do we never learn?

dolphinops 25th Feb 2010 20:29

So when are Handbrake HQ going to commence the first Followership Development Course at RAF Whereversleft? Along with glossy pamphlets etc.

WeekendFlyer 26th Feb 2010 00:56

I am SO glad I am not part of this nonsense anymore. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns...

"Ooh, we are fighting a major campaign in Afghanistan but the defence budget is about to come under enormous pressure! what shall we do? I know, let's introduce even more complexity into personnel appraisals, that will solve the problem! And lets invent some new management-speak too while we are at it - that'll keep the chaps busy!" :ugh: :confused: :sad: :(

If I was still serving, I would be despairing. To those of you who are still in, thank you for doing such a geat job and making your country proud, while you endure the blizzard of unecessary change and constant top-level interference from those in charge. You have our admiration and gratitude. :D

WF

Yeller_Gait 26th Feb 2010 03:20


Originally Posted by Mr C Hinecap http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/viewpost.gif
how would you describe the active role of 'being part of the team and supporting the leader, but related to leadership'?
I think the answer you are looking for is in your own words, surely supporting your leader is a far better way to go about things than just following?

Y_G

Whenurhappy 26th Feb 2010 03:57

Quote the Haddon-Cave Review:

Additionally, the presumptive language of ‘management speak’ and ‘JPA civvie-speak’ is alienating our personnel – at all levels interviewed. ...”


Except this wasn't written by Mr Haddon-Cave - this quote was from an internal study ('Capability Health Check') conducted by the Air Staff some 18 months ago...

ghostnav 26th Feb 2010 05:44

Just saw this in the developingpeopleuk blog:

Followers are not simply “sheep”. “Sheep” are passive and uncritical, lacking in initiative and a sense of responsibility. Effective followers are highly participative, critical and independent thinkers.

Seems to me then if you aren't being critical, you aren't a good "follower". Me thinks I will keep this in my pocket when I get debriefed.

Yeller_Gait 26th Feb 2010 08:16


Just saw this in the developingpeopleuk blog:

Followers are not simply “sheep”. “Sheep” are passive and uncritical, lacking in initiative and a sense of responsibility. Effective followers are highly participative, critical and independent thinkers.

Seems to me then if you aren't being critical, you aren't a good "follower". Me thinks I will keep this in my pocket when I get debriefed.
If you can get the blog accepted as UK mil policy, then what a great spot, but until then not really worth too much, unfortunately :rolleyes:

Pontius Navigator 26th Feb 2010 09:34


Originally Posted by ghostnav (Post 5536870)
Effective followers are highly participative, critical and independent thinkers.

Me thinks I will keep this in my pocket when I get debriefed.

Baa,

I see where your coming from; smart move.

BEagle 26th Feb 2010 10:48

"Morning Boss"

"Morning plebs"

"Hail the Messiah!"

"What did you say?"

"HAIL THE MESSIAH!"

"What do you mean, 'Messiah'? I'm not the Messiah!"

"I say you are, oh Boss...and I should now, I've followed a few!"

"Alright, I AM the Messiah."

"YES - he IS the Messiah!"

"Now....F*CK OFF!"

"Errm............how shall we f*ck off, oh Boss?"

With acknowledgements to 'Life of Brian'. YouTube - Monty Python - Life of Brian - Alright I am the Messiah

kokpit 26th Feb 2010 11:30


Originally Posted by philrigger
Utter bollocks.

Brilliant :D

Clear and concise, a man of my own heart :ok:

fincastle84 26th Feb 2010 11:44

Followship
 
I spent nearly 30 years on Nimrods doing just that!

Oh, but no longer possible after 31 March 2010. Does anyone know if the Russians are decommissioning their submarine fleet at the same time?:D


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