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Aerouk 20th Mar 2010 02:19

Evening all,

I'm currently studying for my A levels, but I was looking at studying another course.
There's a Mechanical Engineering course which would involve studying aerospace systems, biomedicine, and other mechanics, but also Maths and Physics would be involved at A level grade.

Obviously it wouldn't be the same as A levels but would it qualify for a WSOp trade.

So what do you guys think? Would it be worth while.

An mechanical engineering course has always interested me so would it be worth it?

I'm getting slightly concerned with these new courses that promise you qualifications that are like A-Levels but aren't actually A-Levels.

If you are looking to do a course that is the same level as A-Level, why not just do the A-Level course? It prevents you from having to explain what the qualification is to a confused recruiter whose getting lost with all of these new super-duper qualifications.

Get your A-Levels in decent subjects (i.e. Physics, Maths, English etc.) and then if you really fancy doing a Mechanical Engineering course why not go to College or University to study an HNC/HND/Degree in the subject that way you have universally accepted qualifications?

Pontius Navigator 20th Mar 2010 10:02

Good advice Aerouk, the rules and regs always take time to catch up with new fangled ideas. Not only that, but do your HNC/HND or whatever after you enlist and the Services pay a chunk of the costs. In addition, once you gain that qualification you may also get an advancement in your pay scale.

NDW 21st Mar 2010 15:37

P_N & AeroUK, thanks for the responses.

I have spoken to my college, and they will allow me to take the Engineering Course along with two A levels.

This for me is brilliant, because I am more of a hands on (practical) type of person.

The Engineering Course focuses mainly on Aerospace / Aeronautical Engineering, and it is worth about 2 AS levels.

Aerouk 21st Mar 2010 18:50


What qualification is the Engineering course though?

guitarwillie 22nd Mar 2010 21:13

WSOp Hearing
Hi all!

I recently applied to the Royal Navy for Pilot and Observer. I have completed my RT, medical , pjft and sift interview and am therefore awaiting FATs. At my medical I had a really bad cold, and got H2 hearing, which the doctor was pretty certain was because of my cold, i was passed as medically fit so this will be retested at my aircrew medical. I am aware that H1 is required for Pilot and Observer, but what about RAF WSOp? Whilst it isn't a commisioned position like I wanted, if it turned out that I couldnt be a pilot/observer in the RAF or FAA, I would defiantly look into it. So do I need to have H1 for any of the WSOp positions? Also is there a possibilty of commissioning as a WSOp later in my career?

Thanks in advance,


guitarwillie 23rd Mar 2010 08:19

Thats brilliant thanks! Sorry about the spelling, I must have missed it out when I read through it. Anyone got any information on the hearing standards? I've tried using Google, but no luck so far!



Pontius Navigator 24th Mar 2010 08:33

On the hearing test you are put into a sound booth and wear a headset. Tones are then played in each ear in turn, at different pitch and reducing amplitude. I think those are the right terms.

It starts easily and you confidently press a button when you hear the tone. As it gets harder you then start to imagine the sound and start to press the button almost in desparation. You may imagine that the repetition interval is uniform and press the button when you think you hear a sound.

Mistakes and cheating do not work. The test is actually repeated and they look for consistency not an absolute. When your job does not depend on it and you are permitted to see as well as hear you would be astonished how accurate it is.

One last point. While the booth is soundproof it is necessarily air tight too. So remember the person following you and no beans for breakfast :E

CaptainKing 27th Mar 2010 15:28

Raf Questions
Hi there,

I'm a 16 years old working towards my solo for fixed wing. I'm an A student, I play U16A water polo and rugby. I am keen to join the RAF in about 2 and a half years time. I am a British and European national. I live in South Africa with my parents who are British citizens.

I just wanted to ask a few questions regarding the RAF airwing:

1)Do you do basic training, if so how long is it?

2)How long is it until you begin flying?

3)Do you do an officer's course before or after flight training?

4)How many hours do you do before receiving your wings?

5)After flight training what are the options regarding the different aircraft you can fly ie: helicopters, cargo, jets, etc...

Any other information would be great!


Damian King

Green Flash 27th Mar 2010 15:33


Go back to the Pprune Mil Aircrew homepage and look at the second thread.

Look also at the RAF interweb site.

CaptainKing 27th Mar 2010 15:54

Thanks for pointing me in a direction. But please any further help would be much appreciated. What I looked at of the other thread it didn't seem to be answering the questions I want to know.

Thanks anyway, and once again any further information much appreciated.

airborne_artist 27th Mar 2010 16:01

Right now your biggest problem about joining the RAF could be your residency. You are normally required to have lived in the UK for five consecutive years immediately before applying. See link

The rest of your Qs are easily answered by reading the RAF's careers web pages, and looking at the old and new OASC threads.

Talk Reaction 27th Mar 2010 17:27

I never knew residency was an issue for applicants with British Citizenship, seems largely irrelevant and inflexible, ah I've answered my own question!

Another problem is that we are likely to be still in the midst of a big shrink over the next 2-3 years, so give some serious thought to University which could help with some residency and gives you plenty of time to answer all of those questions ;)

Good luck Damian

vecvechookattack 27th Mar 2010 17:46

If you are an A student then the UK Armed Forces won't take you until you have completed your education to its highest level.....Unless you insist. If you pitch up with 10 GCSE's (Or equivalent) they will turn you away to sit your A Levels (or equivalent) and likewise...if you pitch up with 3 good A levels they will tell you to come back after Uni.

Talk reaction is correct.... now is not a good time to join.... go and get a degree and join then.

I think the residency issue is only if you are not British.

airborne_artist 27th Mar 2010 18:07

From this page Nationality and residency - RAF Careers


The nationality requirements for each job are given in each of the job files on this website.
To apply for any RAF job, you must be a citizen of the UK or the Republic of Ireland, or have been a Commonwealth citizen since birth, or hold dual UK/other nationality.
For security reasons, there are stricter nationality requirements for some jobs. For a few, you must have been a UK citizen and UK resident since birth.


You must have lived in the UK for the five years immediately before you apply to join. For a few jobs, the qualifying period is 10 years."

Given that the RAF has plenty of UK residents applying, I'd have to wonder whether they'd bother for long with someone who does not meet the residency rules.

vecvechookattack 27th Mar 2010 18:17

The residency issue must be for non-nationals. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

Which is why Australians, Kiwis and the like can join. Therefore as a South African you can walk straight in.... Just get a degree first.

OneFifty 27th Mar 2010 18:22

vecvechookattack, if you turned up at the AFCO with 10 GCSE's and wished to apply for pilot, you would be told to go and do your A levels in order to fulfil the minimum requirement for making a P2 application. The AFCO would NOT tell you to go and do uni of you turned up with the required qualifications. (Unless you wanted EngO or other professional branch of course). If you are half way through a degree, we may ADVISE you finish it, but we would never TELL you to do something that wasn't required for entry. We tell potential applicants what their options are, it is always entirely up to them which path they choose. As far as being the right time, of course pilot is very competitive, but always has been and always will. What I can say for certain is that applications are being taking for pilot and if the candidate displays the correct attributes at OASC, then they wouldn’t have a problem.

As was previously mentioned, as an overseas applicant, you WOULD have had to have spent the last 5 years living in the UK in order to apply. The only exception to this rule (currently) is students taking a gap year. It has been made quite clear to AFCO’s that no other circumstances will be accepted.

vecvechookattack 27th Mar 2010 18:31

Yes you are right. The RAF wouldn't encourage him to get a degree.

As a South African though, he shouldn't have any problems getting in.

OneFifty 27th Mar 2010 18:35

The AFCO wouldn't NOT say "You are qualified to make an application but you need to go away and get a degree". We would say "You fulfil the requirement to make your application, this is what you do next..." You DO NOT NEED a degree in order to make an application for pilot, therefore why would we turn a suitably qualified potential applicant away?

With regard to residency, we could not accept a Briish Citizen living in South Africa as he does not fulfil the residency requirements. He needs to have spent the 5 years prior to making his application living in the UK. As previously mentioned, the only exception to this rile (currently) are students taking gap years. This was clearly stated in a recent Weekly Recruitment Brief which are issued to AFCO's detailing the latest policy changes and the like.

I personally dealt with a case of a potential applicant who was a British citizen but decided to live in Australia for 2 years after doing his A levels. As this was not a gap year, he was ineligible to submit an application under the current regulations.

L J R 27th Mar 2010 20:45

Which is why Australians, Kiwis and the like can join.
....They join as Lateral Recruits - who already have skill and Qual when they are in short supply. There are restrictions on jobs that they can be recruited to do.

N Joe 27th Mar 2010 21:26

RAF Water Polo

Always keen to see young polo players, so if you do join up, make sure you contact us. Details at:

RAF Swimming Association - Water Polo

N Joe

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