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Golden Legspreaders 16th Dec 2009 19:22

Is this the end for CHF?
 
It sounds as if the Sea Kings are being paid off early with no replacement. Merlins and Wildcats to replace them? Where are the airframes coming from?

Or have I missed something obvious?

All news : RN Live : News and Events : Royal Navy

Commander Joint Helicopter Command, Rear Admiral Tony Johnstone-Burt, said:

"The superior lift performance of the Chinook has proved invaluable on operations. This new strategy will dramatically increase our military capability on the battlefield for many years to come."

The new strategy will see the ageing Sea Kings, which the Royal Navy and RAF currently use, being taken out of service early.

The Navy's future helicopter requirements will be met by a combination of the Merlin fleet and new Wildcats.

The Army will also operate Wildcats alongside the hugely successful Apache. It will mean that following the retirement of Puma from 2022, the UK's Armed Forces will operate four core helicopter fleets of Chinook, Apache, Wildcat and Merlin, with around 65-75 of each aircraft.

Melchett01 16th Dec 2009 21:54


Or have I missed something obvious?
Yes. RAF Merlins to be transferred to CHF and marinised, Benson sqns to re-role from Merlin to Chinook.

The B Word 16th Dec 2009 22:00

Yup, Lord Melchett is correct. If you're lucky we'll throw in the "Dolly-Bird" crew as well for another Chinook (or a couple of Camels)!

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C72C2...0OUTUNC313.jpg

minigundiplomat 16th Dec 2009 22:32

One of those 'dollybirds' has a DFC. Do you, B Word?

On_Loan 16th Dec 2009 22:51

If marinising the Merlins includes incorporating a folding tail rotor I'm not sure the piggy bank will stretch to that.....

Squirrel 41 16th Dec 2009 23:07

Apparently (ie according to the Minister for Defence Procurement yesterday at the Defence Committee), it will - folding main blades and origami boom. Unfortunately, apparently the rest of it didn't go so well.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6958284.ece

S41

The B Word 17th Dec 2009 06:57

MGD

Nope. I'm also not a "Dolly Bird" either - are you? :ok:

This was not meant as a swipe at Michelle and her gang - it was meant to be sarcastic that the Govt is having an RAF asset sale to the other Services. So why not offer up some of our personnel assets as well? A kind of tongue in cheek poke at the Arab-gentleman "How much for your daughter?" line.

B Word

vecvechookattack 17th Dec 2009 07:03

Will the Merlin simulator be moving down to Culdrose as well ? It could easily sit next to the Mk 1 Merlin Simulator.

downsizer 17th Dec 2009 08:19


Yes. RAF Merlins to be transferred to CHF and marinised, Benson sqns to re-role from Merlin to Chinook
Has anybody seen this in writing yet?

charliegolf 17th Dec 2009 08:22

Do the pilots wear g suits on chinooks then? Or are their brains so big that they don't have to write anything down?

CG

Melchett01 17th Dec 2009 08:49


Has anybody seen this in writing yet?
At a guess, SoS Def, CAS, CinC Air, COs Benson and Odiham.

And quite a few mates on the Merlin fleet now moaning that they don't want to trade down to the Chinook!

vecvechookattack 17th Dec 2009 09:04

and quite a few Junglies who are not that keen on moving down to Cornwall. Although in their defence, I talked to 3 or 4 Jungly Aircrewmen yesterday and they were completely upbeat about it.

Talk Split 17th Dec 2009 10:07

Read the Future Rotary Vision Statement.

CHF is not moving from VL.

airborne_artist 17th Dec 2009 10:25


Quote:
Yes. RAF Merlins to be transferred to CHF and marinised, Benson sqns to re-role from Merlin to Chinook
Has anybody seen this in writing yet?
Staish of Odiham was on BBC South news on Tuesday talking about it, and Benson's Staish was on last night, saying that Wokkas are really quite quiet ;)

vecvechookattack 17th Dec 2009 11:47


If marinising the Merlins includes incorporating a folding tail rotor I'm not sure the piggy bank will stretch to that
Thats all been taken care of. Westlands have a production line in progress just for that very thing. They have even started planning for the first Merlin Mk7 ASaC.

heights good 17th Dec 2009 12:03

MGD, I'm guessing you don't know the real story surrounding her DFC then :)

vecvechookattack 17th Dec 2009 12:07

Which one has the DFC? Is it the good looking one on the right?

heights good 17th Dec 2009 12:08

Ask your guide dog ;)

col ective 17th Dec 2009 12:20


Do the pilots wear g suits on chinooks then? Or are their brains so big that they don't have to write anything down?

CG
Poor recce - its a Merlin crew with a Merlin in the background. Lots wear kneeboards as the suits are much more comfortable without knee pockets.

Could be the last? 17th Dec 2009 12:37

Is it correct that the 'Future' RW policy was written by a CH47 'mate' and endorsed by a CH47 'mate'?

What are the implications of the RAF flying just one RW type in the long-term?

How long will the RN take to convert to MK3/a?

Where will the RN get the extra crews (Pilots/Cmn/Engineers)required to operate the MK3/a? (I know some AEops and Nimrod Engs looking for a job:8)

With the various restructuring and resource savings going on, possibly now would be the time to consolidate all RW assets under a 'Light-Blue' banner and let Air do what it is supposed to do.


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