DITTO
PM Received. Cheque on way.
Regards STH |
Aaaarrghhh - quelle pisseur!
Thanks anyway, foldie! |
Same
As the others, PM(s) received, cheque posted.
Cheers Iain |
foldie,
find a way |
Kind idea, but I don't deserve any special favours, jinda'.
I do count myself fortunate in having flown the mighty beast and even headed the student bombing ladder until I was chopped 'cos I wasn't up to the OCU's requirements.... And working with the Bucc mates in GW1 was a privilege as well. |
THANKYOU!
Bananas Bananas |
:)
http://www.skonk.net/main.php?g2_vie...serialNumber=2 Big version if you want a background http://www.skonk.net/main.php?g2_vie...serialNumber=1 Though still comes a close second to http://www.skonk.net/main.php?g2_vie...serialNumber=2 Big version for a background http://www.skonk.net/main.php?g2_vie...serialNumber=1 can do a lot more if anyone is interested :) |
DVD
Foldie,
PMs received, cheque posted, thanks:ok: C |
Ties...don't forget the ties Foldie
Whilst I am on a roll, if anybody is interested in a copy of The Buccaneer Songbook that was published last year also for the 50th Anniversary of the First Flight of the Buccaneer then please PM me.
The DVDs, the beloved Songbook, come on Foldie, flog the ties too !! :ok: |
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020
Unfortunately, NutLoose's 020 is a fake:{ created in 1994 at Lossie to add Navy flavour to the line-up of 208 Sqn Buccs (all RAF Sqn Numbers were represented) that were still flying when the Buccs went out of service and we held the great 'Farewell to the Bucc p**s up'!
It's actually an S2B with a bomb bay door tank (XX894). Sorry to burst the bubble. Foldie:ok: PS. Many thanks to all those of you who have already forwarded their very generous donations for H4H:D. Your DVDs will be with you next week once I can get them wrapped up and in the post. |
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Foldie
All us old Bucc fans know the Bruntingthorpe Bucc is and never has been an RN Bucc- but its still a lovely colour scheme - so thanks 208 Sq. Incidentally I think the BDT was the best thing every done to the Bucc by the RAF - imagine an alert tanker ( say 032 ) with Internals + BDT + BBT + Slipper + IFR pod - just how much fuel would that be - would it be out of limits for cat launch ?? |
Internals + BDT + BBT + Slipper + IFR pod The problem with the BDT and the cat would have been that you could not get the angle of attack required on the cat because the BDT would have been in contact with the flight deck at launch! Foldie:ok: |
Foldie
Yes - of course it would - thanks for the image ! |
Lower Hangar
As I'm not ex Buccs don't quote me, but 62,000 lbs was the MTOW of an S2. Launch at that weight (mass) from the Ark would depend, on other factors such as wind-over-the-deck, temperature, atmospheric pressure, and not just the energy available from the catapult.
A certain ex Groupie (sic. with a passion for flying :ok:) lives close to me and he did a tour on Buccs with the FAA so I shall enquire from the horse's mouth, unless he sees this post and does so himself. MB |
because the BDT would have been in contact with the flight deck at launch Discuss on the 4th!! Armed, of course, with Grouse (and it must be the new Black variety). |
I have departed (not laterally) from Gib's 6000ft runway in a Bucc at 52K AUW at a temp of +30C. The calculated TOD with 15-10-10 Unblown was 6100ft and the TOD Blown with 30-20-20 selected was 5900ft - not a happy prospect with the Med at both ends!
To give ourselves the max TOD available we virtually backed onto the orange & black chequerboard and asked the local controller to ensure that the overshoot on the westerly heading was clear of boats before we released the brakes. Given the 'all clear' and an updated OAT of +32, with full chat selected, we released the brakes and at 5900ft exactly the Bucc lifted almost vertically to about 10 ft and stayed there as we continued to accelerate and climb slowly before forcing a left hander to avoid Spanish Airspace (them were the days). Oh sh*t! Said my man up front (sounded like eject at first but my experience told me that it wasn't) as he saw the boats in the overshoot - yahoo, cried I as I looked over my left shoulder in the turn and saw the Spanish fishermen swimming away from their upturned dinghy! So, why do I tell you this tale, just to prove that the Bucc could do many things at high AUWs but I have to say that the prospect of going off a cat at more than 62K with 19K of fuel and an internal weapons load was an adventure that I am grateful I never had to endure. A certain ex Groupie (sic. with a passion for flying ) 'Em really were the days! Foldie:ok: |
Jinda,
I am reliably informed that that was the case and the reason why the Navy jets were never considered for retrofit BDTs (809 was still shoving the throttles forward whilst I was flying the first BDT aircraft in Germany in 72) with Grouse (and it must be the new Black variety). Foldie:ok: |
Jinda
Buccaneer S.Mk.2B - Maximum AUW: 59,000lb (w.e.f: January 1973) Note: The Maximum All Up Weight was revised upwards from 54,000lb to 59,000lb following the introduction of Mod.1600 (Airframe provision for fitment of Bomb Door Tank) and Mod.5300 (Bomb Door Tanks) - This new AUW is only applicable to RAF Buccaneer S.Mk.2A and S.Mk.2B's which all received Mods 1600 & 5300 during 1973. Fleet Air Arm Buccaneer S.Mk.2C and S.Mk.2D's received Mod.1600 (Airframe provision for fitment of Bomb Door Tank) and Mod.5301 (Blanking Kit for fitment of Standard Bomb Door) so retaining the Maximum AUW of 54,000lb. #01 Buccaneer S.Mk.2BExternal Payload: 2x 'Std' Weapon Pylons 2x 'SNEB' Rocket Pods (36x 2-inch) Internal Payload: 4x 1,000lb H.E.M.C. Ballistic Bombs Miscellaneous: Nonehttp://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk...s2b(thumb).gif AUW: 49,100lb (approx.)http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/trans.gif#02 Buccaneer S.Mk.2BExternal Payload: 2x 'Std' Weapon Pylons 1x 'Buddy' In-Flight Refuelling Pod 1x 'Slipper' Tank Internal Payload: 440 Imp.Gal (2,000-litre) Overload Fuel Tank Miscellaneous: 425 Imp.Gal. (1,932-litre) Bulged Bomb Bay Door Tankhttp://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk...s2b(thumb).gif AUW: 55,800lb (approx.)http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/trans.gif#03 Buccaneer S.Mk.2BExternal Payload: 3x 'Std' Weapon Pylons + 3x Launcher Rails 1x 'Acquisition' Data Link Pod 2x 'TV' Martel Missiles 1x 'Anti-Radar' Martel Missile Internal Payload: 440 Imp.Gal (2,000-litre) Overload Fuel Tank Miscellaneous: 425 Imp.Gal. (1,932-litre) Bulged Bomb Bay Door Tankhttp://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk...s2b(thumb).gif AUW: 56,400lb (approx.)http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/trans.gif#04 Buccaneer S.Mk.2BExternal Payload: 4x 'Std' Weapon Pylons + 4x Launcher Rails 4x 'Anti-Ship' Sea Eagle Missiles Internal Payload: 4x 1,000lb H.E.M.C. Retard Bombs Miscellaneous: 425 Imp.Gal. (1,932-litre) Bulged Bomb Bay Door Tankhttp://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk...s2b(thumb).gif AUW: 58,600lb (approx.) Note: The approximate maximum AUW's quoted are based on the aircraft being fuelled with AVTUR S.G. 0.79 NATO Code:Also known as:Description:F-34AVTUR/FSII or JP-8 (Specific Gravity: 0.79)is a military kerosene type aviation turbine fuel with Fuel System Icing Inhibitor (FSII), used by land-based military gas turbine engined aircraft in all NATO countries from 1986. However France and the United Kingdom converted to F-34 back in 1971 (Following a decision by NATO Defence Ministers, all nations except Turkey switched from F-40 to F-34. The conversion was completed in 1988 and known as Stage 1 of the Single Fuel Concept).F-40AVTAG/FSII or JP-4 (Specific Gravity: 0.77)is a military wide cut type aviation turbine fuel with FSII, used by land-based military gas turbine engined aircraft.F-42AVCAT or JP-5 (Specific Gravity: 0.82)is a military high flash point kerosene type aviation turbine fuel without Anti-Icing Additives used by ship borne military gas turbine engine aircraft in NATO countries prior to the introduction of F-44.F-44AVCAT/FSII or JP-5 (Specific Gravity: 0.82)is a military high flash point kerosene type aviation turbine fuel with FSII used by ship borne military gas turbine engine aircraft in most NATO countries. Source - The Royal Air Force's: Buccaneer Navigator's Handbook AP.4744A-AN 'Aircrew Notes' (covering Buccaneer S.Mk.1) AP.4744B-AN 'Aircrew Notes' (covering Buccaneer S.Mk.2) AP 101B-1202-14 'Flight Reference Cards' (covering Buccaneer S.Mk.2) AP 101B-1202-14A 'Flight Reference Cards' (covering Buccaneer S.Mk.2A, 2B, 2C, 2D) AP 101B-1202-15A 'Aircrew Manual' (covering Buccaneer S.Mk.2A, 2B) |
Madbob,
Standby for Flack inbound! You have just told one of our most infamous :} Bucc QFIs (schpitt!) how to suck eggs! Anyway, for a non-Bucc man (you not me) I am impressed by your research! By the way, I will get your DVD to you by the end of the week, hopefully. There you will be able to view him (Jinda) in a much younger disguise! Foldie:ok: |
Madbob,
Well done. Tomorrow I'm off to Gib, and as I stroll across the runway, both you and foldie will be uppermost in my mind!:p. Penelope's has gone, as has the Wig 'n Gown (now a manicure parlour:E). Otherwise, it's still an evocative place - full of Cold War memories, but then that is seemingly not something to dwell upon in the eyes of younger PPRuNe members. |
the Wig 'n Gown (now a manicure parlour) Now be a good lad and pop along to 17 Town Ranges := just for old time's sake!!!!!!!!! Foldie:ouch: |
Should I take the wife along? etc etc
Seriously, the low cost airlines do good deals, the pound (not the euro) makes it perhaps the best deal in Europe as things stand, the Eliott hotel in Governor's Parade is splendid, and there are oodles of the old bars that remain (with their marvellously unhealthy breakfasts), sitting easily with the excellent new restaurants ranged alongside their new waterfronts. Bril. And Spain is still nearby. Sadly, my attempts to have a drink in the Front Mess have been thwarted by officialdom - but one has to accept that old-fartysm prevails these days! |
Foldie - just caught up with your post #100. I well remember the RHAG incident. That week I was on Duty Crew and as we looked out of the windows of our remote dispersal near the end of the runway we marvelled as your mighty mount ground to a halt whilst at full chat.
During another stint on Duty Crew I remember someone who insisted on being obeyed making a night landing with, shall we say, symptoms of the parking brake being applied. You know the sort of thing - lots of smoke, the stench of burnt rubber and showers of sparks as first the locked wheels and then the brake packs were ground away by the runway friction course. That was another exciting recovery and I seem to recall a lot of time being spent before a defect in the braking system could be found. |
Just enjoyed DVD1 - many memories - thanks.
Lower Hangar |
Foldie
DVDs landed safely on my door mat on Saturday. Many thanks. MB |
Hi Foldie,
Mine arrived on saturday too. Many thanks. Just wait til I'm off shift to put the 8 beer theory to the test! Cheers Iain |
Hi Foldie
Received mine this morning; thanks very much. Regards STH |
Foldie,
DVDs have just arrived in the afternoon post. So, 8 tigers in the fridge cooling nicely, should be ready for viewing/imbibing in a couple of hours. Great!! Many thanks.:ok::ok: |
I was kindly sent the DVD set recently and made a suitable donation to charity as a result.
Very good DVDs indeed; congratulations to the Buccaneer Aircrew Association for this work. Re. the BDT, it was stated in one of the documentaries that the jet could still be pitched to rub the tailskid on landing, even with the BDT fitted. The reason the BDT wasn't fitted to the RN's Buccs was stated as being because the tank wasn't baffled, so wouldn't take the accleration involved with a catapult launch without rupturing. How I wish that I'd been a lot better and that 237 had had a bit more patience when I was struggling to learn to fly the beast. Interesting to hear my old RAF scholarship and ULAS mucker Nige Huck describing how demanding the jet was to fly below 300 KIAS - I'm sure anyone who'd ever flown it would concur. "Fifteen-Ten-Ten...moving together, stop together.......:ok:" And Jinda', didn't you look young! |
Now, Jinda'.... was that an engine fire... or where you really dumping fuel....?
See you in t'Bridge with Colonel Comb-Over, Old Boy!!!! :ok: |
Very good DVDs indeed; congratulations to the Buccaneer Aircrew Association for this work. As I know where every one of them went, would you mind telling me how you came by a copy? A PM will do but I would just like to know if they are now being copied and on the 'black market'. Ta Foldie 237 OCU QWI 1981 -1983:} |
PM sent, foldie.
Legit copy, not a pirate. Charity has benefitted as a result. Blond genug? |
"Ta
Foldie 237 OCU QWI 1981 -1983http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif " Foldie, am sure I saw you lurking around 16 over 1982-83. Is your memory failing? Or, oops, is it mine?? :8 Boris |
Beags, that phrase struck a chord with me, "blond genug" = Fair enough in Sausageside Lingo.
I seem to recall reading about a POW in WWII who spent his time translating common or garden English phrases into German and then being totally surprised that the guards did not recognise their meaning. Anyone help with that, or is Beags in retro-mode?? |
Foldie, am sure I saw you lurking around 16 over 1982-83. Is your memory failing? Foldie:} XV Sqn - 1972-74 12 Sqn QWI - 1974-78 237 OCU QWI - 1978-81 16 Sqn QWI/Wpns Ldr - 1981-83 and whilst we are at it: 17 Sqn - 1986-87 Staneval (W) Bruggen - 1987-90 |
Achtung Foldie,
So Englander (incls Scots!!), Laarbruch and Bruggen, Specken sie Deutch?? And Gott in Himmel, nein tours in Colditz? :bored: |
BAA Donation to H4H
To all those who donated,
This needs broadcasting louder than on a thread that is slipping beyond the first page of PPRuNe. New Thread inbound. Foldie |
Vangelis is dead
The Greek composer and musician Vangelis has just died, aged 79.
Be honest now, how many of you immediately think of Buccaneers when you hear To The Unknown Man? And just how good was Hugh Hudson's film of Open Gate 78 as a recruiting tool for the service? |
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