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Gainesy 30th Aug 2009 16:03

NO casualties. Chinook destroyed after hard landing
 
BBC reporting Chinook deliberately destroyed in field after a hard landing in ops near Sangin. No casualties.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Chinook damaged in Afghanistan

scientia in alto 30th Aug 2009 18:00

Tough times for those out there, thoughts with the crew as it is bound to have been a harrowing experience.

SIA

Gainesy thanks for the no casualties note. :ok:

Torque Tonight 30th Aug 2009 18:45

Holy s--t. Not another one. Thank God the crew are OK but disastrous to lose another cab. The Chinook force was (over)stretched 4 years ago, so this sort of attrition is unsustainable. The government are going to have to reach deep into their pockets or come up with some new ideas. A bad month for everyone.

Muffin Themule 30th Aug 2009 23:02


The government are going to have to reach deep into their pockets or come up with some new ideas.
Are you suggesting they have their brains in their balls, or bollox for brain?

Second thoughts, perhaps you meant their back pockets.

AHQHI656SQN 31st Aug 2009 08:43

Thankfully those involved are all okay, great news.
I have seen more dust landings than I can shake a stick at and everyone is nothing short of remarkable, I doff my cap to the crew everytime I see it. :D
The strength of character will win through, nowing the CH force. Good luck lads and stay sharp.
Tom

Evalu8ter 31st Aug 2009 10:14

Glad to see all aboard are OK. The simple statistics of flying that many hours in that kinetic and environmental threat were bound to catch us up, and in the last couple of weeks it has - fortunately without casualties. Lucky we have plentiful attrition ac like the FJ fleet....oh, no we don't. Lucky we've got all those SABR Chinooks coming soon...oh, we took £1.5Bn out of the RW budget and didn't buy them. Never mind, let's get Mr Boeing to build us an attrition buy...what's that? We're behind the US Army, Australia, Canada, Dutch and UAE with no delivery slots until 2013+? Oh dear.

Oh well, we can always invoke the "Special Relationship" and get Barack to bump us up the queue...oh, we've released the Lockerbie bomber and soured that as well. What far sighted politicos we have.

How inconvenient of us to get embrolied in a war (yes Rifkind, a war...) where the fleets taking combat attrition (AT & RW) don't have meaningful attrition reserves....

101BOY 31st Aug 2009 10:23

I'm sure Agusta can find us some Merlin slots....;)

Standing back for small explosion:E

Gainesy 31st Aug 2009 10:31

I think that line closed years ago.

anotherthing 31st Aug 2009 10:56

Evalu8ter:



http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...-nose-out.html

read post number 9 onwards. Rifkind knows we are at war and aknowledges such. The thread originator was talking rubbish.

Glad the crew of the chinnny are OK, airframes are replaceable...

Engines 31st Aug 2009 11:22

Evalu8ter:

Fully agree - thank our lucky stars we had no casualties. Now, it's all down to shifting metal and electronics.

Great points - this is pretty much the scenario you and other wise heads have forecast for so long. We are committed to a long war and cannot sustain the effort - so what were our senior leadership doing all this time?

Surely JHC and the guys in town weren't reporting 'green' for our fleet sustainability? Or even 'double counting' airframes so that we 'met' all our commitments? Surely not....

Tough times - but we have great people who can get through it. Sadly, we are now unable to give them the kit they really need. Short term solutions are few in number, but I can't help thinking that we should throw some money at the Sea Kings sitting in storage and get some more 'Jungly Mk 6s' generated. Yes, they aren't a Chinook, but they are tough and useful airframes, and could be made available quickly.

Desperate times, desperate measures....

ZH875 31st Aug 2009 11:41


Originally Posted by anotherthing (Post 5160117)
airframes are replaceable...

Not if Gordon Broon gets his way they aren't.

Methinks it is time to fertilise the poppy crop areas with Agent Orange.

Evalu8ter 31st Aug 2009 11:59

Anotherthing,
Mea Culpa. Sorry Sir Malcom.....

knocker88 31st Aug 2009 13:10

Glad the Crew are ok! Glad all the Pax are ok.Glad we have loads more Chinooks at ODI to replace the ones we have lost......

Torque Tonight 31st Aug 2009 13:36


airframes are replaceable...
I'll believe it when I see it.

SCAFITE 1st Sep 2009 08:04

Chinook Down
 
As a simple ex Stacker do you not think that the shortage of Helicopter which was blurted out by all and his dog, will be a large home goal and we have told Terry Taliban where we are at our weakest in the stan. So to put yourself in the mind of the Taliban, why bother trying to kill soldiers and put all you effort into downing Helicopter (esp Chinooks). This is will hurt big time and as stated on posts in this tread, we will run out of replacements soon.

So since its 70 years since the start of WW2 today let start thinking we are at war, so loose lips sink ships and keep any of our shortages under out hats and in the military house, and not let the Taliban know our weak points.

knocker88 1st Sep 2009 08:38

Um I think the Taleban know about our helicopter shortages without reading this.

SCAFITE 1st Sep 2009 08:39

Chinook Down
 
When we destroyed these airframes due to the fact it was not safe to recover them, why did they not leave them for a while, but keeping a beedy eye on them and wait for Terry to swarm over them like flies and then bomb the f**kers. If you have to loose a Helicopter you should make the most of it.

Spanish Waltzer 1st Sep 2009 08:58

...because the chances are the first people to 'swarm over' such an interesting wreck will be the local kids and then think of the headlines when we cause that sort of carnage...:uhoh::uhoh:

SCAFITE 1st Sep 2009 09:13

Chinook Down
 
So we have destroyed a airframe due to the fact a load of kids where in the area and would probley be first on the wreck. We will loose this war due to Health and Safety, worried about the locals, worried about what the papers will say, and worst of all fighting a war with their hand tied behind their backs. Nobody wants to kill kids, but the airframe must have been destroyed duie to the fact the Taliban where hot on its tail. If there was no armed Taliban in the area and only kids and villages it should have been recovered.

jez_s 1st Sep 2009 10:29

Hmm, one would expect the next question asked after the first one of 'are the P.O.B ok' would be can we SAFELY recover the airframe if not Kaboom!


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