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AlphaWhiskyRomeo 2nd Dec 2008 15:35

RAF Flight Ops Officers and Colour Vision
 
I have found a document on the web which states that Flight Operations Officers in the RAF would require CP2 standards of Colour Perception to perform the role.
This document is dated Summer 2007, and I wondered if anyone can categorically confirm if this is still accurate.

I couldn't get the info from the RAF at an AFCO, and have tried searching on this board but without success.

Thanks in advance.

Grabbers 2nd Dec 2008 16:44

Strange, I didn't think there was any qualifying criteria to be a Flight Ops Officer. Other than the prerequisite failing of all aptitude based courses of course. :E

Molesworth Hold 2nd Dec 2008 17:06

That's a terrible comment on a fine body of people. With the recruitment problems that TG9, has it has become increasingly apparent that a Flight Ops Officer, with the correct training is able to operate at the level of a junior SAC. Regarding the colour blindness, I suppose it is possible that a Flight Ops Officer may be required to drive on an airfield, in this situation they would be required to differentiate between the turquoise traffic light and the turquoise traffic light.

lazyrs1 2nd Dec 2008 17:07

Ring the AFCO again - they are fobbing you off. If they dont know they should ring OASC medical and find out!

Pontius Navigator 2nd Dec 2008 18:42

Molesworth, not at all. It is to be able to distinguish between white and black coffee.

taxydual 2nd Dec 2008 18:46

Hmm, cheeky kids!!!

I'll have you know, in my day, a seviceable pulse was all that was required.

Ex OpsO sends

:ok:

This link (you may have seen it) gives you some gen re Colour Blindness plus a phone number to ring.

Good Luck.

Health - Who we want - RAF Careers

AlphaWhiskyRomeo 2nd Dec 2008 19:28

Thanks so far.

Basically, the job I'm interested in is Flight Ops as I know my colour blindness will preclude me from flying.
The AFCO told me to get an eyetest done with the Isihara and Homes-Wright lantern tests independently. The results are then sent to Cranwell and they would tell me whether I am up to Flight Ops eyesight standards. The AFCO told me that they can't do any more until I get my results back, and they couldn't find anything or anyone to advise on the specific eyesight requirements during my appointment with them.

I found a document online yesterday which had Flight Ops down as requiring CP2 colour standards, which I'm very sure I can't attain. At the moment, I'm trying to find out the standards required as it may save myself and the RAF the cost and hassle of eyetests and the Cranwell results.

taxydual 2nd Dec 2008 19:40

AWR

AFAIR, CP2 is normal Red/Green perception.What are you like at traffic lights?
Can you tell Stop from Go?

This thread (on our pongo colleagues site) will probably muddy the waters further, but......

Army Rumour Service > > Forums > > Boards by Arm / Service (roughly) > > Just TA > > Addition to TA Medical

And this

http://www.assoc-optometrists.org/up...pdf/06-raf.pdf

Pontius Navigator 2nd Dec 2008 20:29


Originally Posted by AlphaWhiskyRomeo (Post 4567969)
I'm trying to find out the standards required as it may save myself and the RAF the cost and hassle of eyetests and the Cranwell results.

Joking aside, self-diagnosis is a complete waste of time.

They are experts, thye are paid to make decisions. Let them decide.

spheroid 2nd Dec 2008 20:46

I wish we had a Flight Operations branch in the FAA....its a real pain doing it all yourself....and whilst Im drippin....how about some survival equipment people to look after our Flying clothing....that would be a bloomin novelty.

Grabbers 2nd Dec 2008 21:06

Spheroid

I'm sure you're surrounded by people perfectly qualified to do the Flight Ops Officer role. How would your bins get emptied?

Irish Tempest 2nd Dec 2008 21:06

Variance between RAF & RN eyesight standards
 
I do find it a lil bit strange that the RN and and the RAF have the following variance in eyesight standards:


All are stated min standards

RAF (Pilot)
Uncorrected 6/6
Corrected N/A (as 6/6 is as good as it gets)

RN (Pilot)
Uncorrected 6/12
Corrected 6/6

As (i understand it) all RN aircrew 'we' employ are taken on with the ultimate aim of getting them into single seat F/J ie GR7/9 and later JSF... (if they haven't collected their pension by then!!)

The RAF (i assume) does the same with a view to getting someone into a F/J.

Bottom line - if you eyesight is not up to the the RAF standard but can be corrected to 6/6 then you potentially good enough for the RN!

Making ready for the flood of Joe 90's tomorrow.....:ok:

IT

spheroid 2nd Dec 2008 21:34

The Duty Officer empties the bins..... after he has cleaned the crewroom.... Is that what Ops people do...? What do they really do and if they are important then why can't we have any?

Pontius Navigator 2nd Dec 2008 21:34


Originally Posted by spheroid (Post 4568131)
I wish we had a Flight Operations branch in the FAA....its a real pain doing it all yourself....and whilst Im drippin....how about some survival equipment people to look after our Flying clothing....that would be a bloomin novelty.

Quite agree, we still don't know what it is like having it done for you. :}

Safety equippers OTOH are worth their weight in gold.

teeteringhead 3rd Dec 2008 17:12


It is to be able to distinguish between white and black coffee.
.... that's a bit cruel Pontius ...


..... they need to know the difference between blue and green chinagraph too ;).....

Pontius Navigator 3rd Dec 2008 18:15


Originally Posted by teeteringhead (Post 4570007)
.... that's a bit cruel Pontius ...


..... they need to know the difference between blue and green chinagraph too ;).....

Unless it is night ops when they need to distinguish between white and yellow, hence the coffee requirement too.

taxydual 3rd Dec 2008 20:58

Hmm. It's easy to tell the pubs have turrned out early!!

Ex OpsO sends



Without us, who would work out the nutty ration?




:ok::ok:

Grabbers 3rd Dec 2008 21:11

Any 6 year old?

Pontius Navigator 3rd Dec 2008 21:13


Originally Posted by taxydual (Post 4570454)
Without us, who would work out the nutty ration?

The copilot or one of the knockers. In my 6 tours in Ops not once did we ever do nutty bars.

And the telephone rules were quite simple. Nearest to the telephone answered the phone, nearest to the kettle made the coffee. RHNP.

minigundiplomat 3rd Dec 2008 23:07

Ive watched a series of Ops Spt OPSO's pass through the Sqn and can honestly say, with the right training, some may make competent corporals in the future.

Some, would make excellent DSS statistics.


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