Congress OK's Typhoon Sale to Saudi Arabia
 

Any British components in US jets?

CG

Goodness me yes..... plenty.

So George asks Gordo for the ok to sell to other countries?

CG

Hopefully you understand that, before you really get rev'ved up, the MOD knew the details of the contract before buying whatever parts concerned and decided to press ahead and buy them and install them in the Typhoons.

So, perhaps, just perhaps, the righteous indignation compressors can start to spool down before going to full throttle?

I expect George asks an adult to do that for him.

CG, "So George asks Gordo for the ok to sell to other countries?".

Pfffft, I very much doubt he does....They'd throw a screaming fit & throw their bottle out the pram if we said they can't go ahead & sell whatever it is because it has some bits & pieces made in the UK. For the record, the Martin Baker ejection seat being just one of them that's installed into some, if not, all of their fighters.

So the Typhoon "contains American components"? Well, GPS being one of them I believe.........What else does it have that's Yank?

Brick, whilst a bit flippant, i really was interested in the answer to the proper question, "Is that the normal way these things are done; and do we in the UK ask for the same clauses when sharing our clever stuff?"

Perhaps the US could also be a little more careful when exporting to Israel, thereby ensuring that western fighter and C2 technologies didn't end up in Chinese J-10s and AEW projects (not to mention a few other nation's aircraft).

CG, for the US side, the answer is yes.

For the UK side, I don't know.

For boldface, did you ever get a check from Stalin for the Nenes?

Check ?
 

My dear chap, it is cheque I'll have you know ;)

Two nations divided by a common language :rolleyes:

cheque?



Reads French-like...

Checkmate
 

Nah,

The origins go much further back to times when France as we know it now wasn't :cool:

Sources indicate that cheque comes from the Arabic ṣakk (صكّ), which is a written document or letter or note of credit Muslim merchants adopted to carry out their trading. Believed to go back as far as the 9th century. The concept of ṣakk appeared in European documents around 1220, mostly in areas neighbouring Muslim Spain and North Africa; south France and Italy.

Anyway, you're not too irritating for a colonial I have to say.

Toodle pip :ok:

bh: did you ever get a check from Stalin for the Nenes? For the sold hardware, 25 Nenes+30 Derwents: £660K credit against UK imports of, largely, food (cold winter, 46/47). For the knock-off RD-45, VK-1, no. Like US for Tu-4 Bull.

Bull reverse engineered from 'captured' examples (Ok, force landed in Allied country), Yankee imperialists didn't flog them the plans, we sold the jets though :ugh::ugh::ugh:

I would suggest that the ill advised transfer of British jet technology 60 years ago is hardly comparable to the continuing sale (or presentation given the Israelis get much of it at no cost) of high technology to a nation with a recent track record of reverse engineering and sale to China and/or the highest bidder.

The J-10, Chinese/Israeli Phalcon AEW Project, and US radar and weapons technology sold by the Israelis to South Africa, Chile, Ecuador, Sri Lanka and various other nations are the principle examples, some of which have already been mentioned.

Regards,
MM

Which is unrelated to the thread.

The MOD bought some US gear which carried with it a stipulation that the US had to give permission for that gear to sold onwards.

The MOD agreed to those terms prior to purchasing.

It seems the bellyaching should be aimed elsewhere but it's always easy to blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for one's actions.

The selling/giving of sensitive US technology unrelated to this deal is a topic for another thread, it would seem to me.

But then, you've done the same, so the 'oh yeah, what about xxx?' could go on for quite a while.

Who's 'bellyaching' laddy?:rolleyes:

I don't believe that I have ever stated the MoD didn't sign up to the agreement. I don't believe I have ever blamed anyone else. I was simply stating facts about current US export policies which could at best be described as ironic.

Tiffy

Statistically, *most* US fighters use the ACES II seat, made my MCD/Boeing.

The US Navy uses the NACES, which is indeed an MB design, but that hardly qualifies as *most* and is definitely not *all*.

I sincerely wish that the UK would start complaining about Israel's ...
 

Israel is avid for both F-35's and F-22's, to be paid for in the usual manner - by loans from the US Treasury that are never paid back.

I sincerely wish that the UK would start complaining about Israel's tendency to reverse engineer and sell classfied US military technolgy to America's - and Britain's - enemies.