F3/Typhoon to Georgia?
 

With current developments and Georgia formerly declaring 'WAR' on Russia this morning international sanctions seem ever more likely. Seeing as the UK & US are acting as International police everywhere else in the world do you think it’s likely we'll deploy some AD assets to enforce a No Fly Zone?

A chance for the F3 to prove its worth once more before the fleet disappears?
Or
Yet another Op that we're not scaled to deal with?

Comments/Discussion welcomed.


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Yep i think we need another theatre of war for our servicemen and women to hone their operational skills in. After all each year they spend 5 months in Afganistan, 5 months in Iraq that means theyre sat about for 2 months of the year on leave !!! im sure they could squeeze in another conflict best value and all that ! ( ill get my coat !! )

It seems I might be the Station Duty Fish today. Oh, go on then, I'll bite.




In my humble opinion .....




..... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ha ha ..... no chance.

UN resolution?
NATO involved too? (Georgia wants to join. But they ain't in yet)
Host nation?
And Russia supplies the UK with most of our gas.

We could just give them away. Loads of wonga saved on maintenance costs. Imagine the peace and quiet without the F3.................................crews:ok:

"A chance for the F3 to prove its worth once more"

When has it proved its worth before? :}

Our colleagues could easily get drawn into this.

There are currently 7 UK mil officers serving as UNMOs in UN Observer Mission in Georgia (UNOMIG) - at least one of these will be RAF (another post is rotational RAF/Army).

UNOMIG operates in the Abkhaz/Georgian ceasefire line not in South Ossetia; however, BBC is reporting possible Russian bombrdment of Georgian positions in the Kodori Gorge (where UNOMIG patrols) and the de-facto Republic of Abkhazia has also mobilised its reserves. As an aside the Russian bombing of Poti could also be linked as it was from here that Georgia mounted an Amphibious Op in the early 90s to retake Abkhazia - this was only defeated with the (denied) assistance of Russian forces. In 2002, Russia offered the inhabitants of South Ossetia and Abkhazia Russian citizanship; Russia also provides the peacekeeping forces (under the guise of the CIS) on the GEO/ABK Ceasefire Line - so the 'defence of our citizens' rational for Russian involvement in Soth Ossetia could easily be applied to Abkhazia.

Climebear served as an UNMO in UNOMIG in 2002

F3s versus Russian Flankers?? Hmmmmmmmm....

Ahh...
 

Yes, very likely that the AD fleet will get to go to Georgia this summer - nice weather, southern belles, and some decent golf courses (eg, Augusta).

Hat, Coat etc etc

S41

Thats one opinion of course.
Was the F3 designed as a 'dogfighter' or as a means of carrying a fair few missiles and a decent radar aloft, loiter for a fair while and pick off targets at range?
Would such an ability be useful in say, enforcing a no-fly zone and do the F3 fleet have any previous experience of this (hint, yes they do)?
Whilst many of us love to knock other fleets the F3 is pretty good at what it was designed to do.

F3 of to Georgia?
 

Priceless. Save us scrapping them I suppose.

Stacker, yes, expect the Flankers at 60 000ft would just allow themselves to be 'picked off at range'.

I personally think UK QRA is more important. Let the Typhoon get on with, what would be, a long job.

30 years, might not cover it.

Our best course of action at this point...... might be extreme caution.

Regards,

Advo

Even if the UK did send a few F3's & Typhoons to Georgia, (Which I very much doubt), their first choice would be the Typhoon, the F3's would probably be kept back like they were in the first Gulf War. But the F3 now is a different beast, better than what it was back then.

Anyway, its their problem, if they're big enough to start a war with each other, then they're big enough to finish it themselves. Let them sort their own problems out.

Y'awl need not worry about the F3 v Flanker match up. If the balloon goes that high the F22 will be there.

I'll check and see if we have the funds....oh wait.:}

Are you sure? They don't want to go and get the airshow Queen dirty now do they?

What would the spotters say?

Better to get the ole girl dirty than to make beer cans out of F3's lawn darting.

Just for the Navy girls on this forum we should send Lusty in to the Black sea, the russians will tremble in fear ;)

hehe! if only the geography would allow it

it will probably be over before military intervention from any other country:

Georgia
Total personnel: 26,900
Main battle tanks (T-72): 82
Armoured personnel carriers: 139
Combat aircraft (Su-25): Seven
Heavy artillery pieces (including Grad rocket launchers): 95

RUSSIA
Total personnel: 641,000
Main battle tanks (various): 6,717
Armoured personnel carriers: 6,388
Combat aircraft (various): 1,206
Heavy artillery pieces (various): 7,550

Georgia Equipment from Wiki is more substantial
Equipment

Main battle tanks

• T-72B1 - 59 units
• T-72M - 75 units
• T-72AB - 71 units
• T-55AM - 40 units

AIFVs/APCs

• BMP-1 - 80 units
• BMP-2 - 120 units
• BTR-80 - 75 units
• MT-LB - 64 units
• BRDM-2 - 17 units
• Otokar Cobra - 100 units

Towed artillery

• 2A36 Giatsint-B - 12 units
• 2A65 Msta-B - 18 units
• 2A18 (D-30) - 120 units

Self-propelled artillery

• 2S7 Pion - 12 units
• 2S19 Msta-S - 3 units
• 2S3 Akatsiya - 26 units
• VZ 77 Dana - 24 units

Multiple Launch Rocket Systems

• M-87 Orkan - 4 units
• RM-70 - 48 units
• BM-21 Grad - 120 units
• LAR-160- 15 units
• M-63 Plamen – 12 units

Mortars

• 2B11 120 mm - 240 units
• M-38/43 120 mm - 365 units
• M75 120 mm – 250 units

Georgian Air Force

Main article: Georgian Air Force
The Georgian Air Force consists of the air force and the air defense.
The main missions of the air forces are: to control and defend air space of Georgia; conduct air intelligence and surveillance; provide support to the Armed Forces other Services; conduct air evacuation and search and rescue operations; air movement of personnel and military cargo transportation. The strength of Air Forces is 1,813 military and civilian personnel.

Equipment

Aircraft

• 22 Su-25KM
• 13 Su-25UB
• 12 MiG-25
• 4 Su-24
• 18 MiG-21
• 11 L-39
• 2 L-29

Helicopters

• 1 Mi-35
• 19 Mi-24P
• 21 Mi-24V
• 18 Mi-14
• 16 Mi-8
• 6 Bell 212
• 40 UH-1H
• 2 Mi-2

Air Defence

• 15 SA-11 GADFLY
• 38 SA-3 GOA
• ?? SA-5 GAMMON
• 18 SA-8
• ?? SA-7A/B GRAIL
• ?? SA-14 GREMLIN
• ?? SA-16 GIMLET
• 35 ZSU-23-4
• 15 S-60
• 40 MT-LB with towed ZU-23-2
• 30 Grom launchers with 100 missiles[5]