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Tris1601 5th May 2008 12:54

US Air Force
 
Sorry if this has already been asked. In order to join the US Air Force do you need to be an American citizen? Thanks in advance for any answers.

brickhistory 5th May 2008 13:12

To enlist, no.

To be commissioned, yes.

Dan Winterland 5th May 2008 13:22

And you need a degree to be commissioned.

brickhistory 5th May 2008 15:25

Moving slightly off topic and increasing:

The USN has started a program of warrant officer pilots and NFOs. Besides the usual medical qualifications, no older than 27, et al, the program is open to E-6 to E-9 (more senior enlisted) and upon completion are awarded CWO (chief warrant officer) rank.

Requires only an Associate's degree (2 year). Open cockpits include P-3, EP-3, EA-6B, helos. No pure strike jets like F/A-18.

First ones through the training pipeline should be joining their operational squadrons soon (if not already).

I would imagine US citizenship would be a requirement for this as well.

Wrathmonk 5th May 2008 19:13

Warning .... Thread Creep ....

On a previous thread didn't that wag Chief_Two tell us all at great lengths that CWO is a commissioned rank or was it all a dream (nightmare?) .... :E If this is the case then surely from the evidence below they require more than an Associate's Degree.

Or perhaps they're not commissioned ....

Chief_Two - comeback and put me right!

And before you all start it's meant as a bit of fun :ok:

Always a Sapper 5th May 2008 19:43

Wrathmonk....

Thread? what thread.... you mentioned that name.... :=

Got to admit though he was the first thing I thought of as well when I read brick's post. :sad:

You dont think brickhistory could be Chief_two under cover......... :eek:

brickhistory 5th May 2008 19:59

I assure you I am not the 'charming' US Army Warrant Officer.

I simply found it interesting that the USN is going with pilot/NFO warrant officers for many of their airframes and that info might be of similiar interest to the thread author.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 5th May 2008 22:06


And you need a degree to be commissioned.
...but don't worry, because you only need an American degree

:E

brickhistory 5th May 2008 22:55


...but don't worry, because you only need an American degree
to have a choice to fly somewhat more than 5 C-17s..............

FOGII 6th May 2008 17:12

WO/CWOs require an associates degree of higher from an accredited institution.

CWOs are commissioned but are restricted, not unrestricted officers of the line.

S/F, FOG

DOWN_SOUTH_AGAIN 8th May 2008 03:14

WO Pilots and ECMOs
 
There are no plans for WO pilots or ECMOs to be streamed to the EA-6B Prowler; which, in turn will start the transition to the EA-18G after xmas.

PilotEyes 8th May 2008 08:43

Do any US services do lateral recruiting?

FOGII 8th May 2008 15:29

Pilot,

There are exchanges with at least three of the Commonwealth nations, usually 3-4 year tours.

If you want to join one of U.S. services there are ways to directly enlist. If you want a commission then you need to be a citizen of the U.S. Check with the DAO’s office in Canberra for the specifics.

S/F, FOG

Moose Loadie 9th May 2008 23:11

It is true that non citizens can enlist but they can only be employed in non mobility positions. That means any form of aircrew is citizen only.

FOGII 9th May 2008 23:14

Moose,

That is not a true statement.

I know of non-U.S. citizens in USMC recon and also in aircrew positions.

The lack of U.S. citizenship will limit security clearances and thus some positions/deployments.

S/F, FOG

flown-it 11th May 2008 00:45

tread creep
 
"And you need a degree to be commissioned."
The trouble with American institutions...be they military or civil...is that the almighty 4 year degree is THE THING.
I have been turned down, before talking to a human, by the dreaded HR for not having a degree.
46 years and X thousand hours of accident free aviation mean Zip

IcemanF22 11th May 2008 01:11

Enlistment into the U.S. Air Force by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess an Immigrations and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 -- Commonly known as a "Green Card"). Applicants must be between 17 and 27; meet the mental, moral, and physical standards for enlistment; and must speak, read and write English fluently. Note: The U.S. military branches cannot assist foreign nationals in obtaining admittance into the United States. Questions concerning immigration to the United States should be asked of the U.S. Embassy. Only after immigration procedures are completed and an applicant is legally residing in the United States may an application for enlistment be accepted. Furthermore, in order to be commissioned an officer in the U.S. Air Force, one must be a native-born or naturalized United States citizen.

ZH875 11th May 2008 11:13


Originally Posted by IcemanF22 (Post 4105025)
Applicants must speak, read and write English fluently.

Thus setting them apart from the American people.:E

Flight Detent 11th May 2008 11:28

Ok, just a little more...is it true that the USN has both commissioned and non-commissioned Warrant Officers?

Cheers..FD..:confused:

EOSM37 11th May 2008 11:41


Applicants must speak, read and write English fluently.
Don't worry if you can't, as their glorious leader George Bush once said ""You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''




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