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BackfromIraq 14th Feb 2008 17:43

Tain has become very conspicuous by his absence from the thread he started...

wg13_dummy 14th Feb 2008 18:36

Gnd said;


By definition (and exam requirements) an A2 is an above average instructor. With fellow A2's along side, s/he is the average in that group (unless A1 candidate). I am proud to have 'Average A2' in my log book, this means to me an above average, 'median', QHI/QFI. Still bloody hard work and many sad hours of ground school!!!!

More than most for you, eh Gnd? :ok:



A2>= Advanced
B1< = Basic

To gain the A2 qualification, one is required to demonstrate 'Above Average' in all three parts of the examination; Mass Brief, Flying and ground school. Qed Above Average instructor. Pretty simple really.



Of course, one is only above average on the day. :}

minigundiplomat 14th Feb 2008 20:10

What is the pay rise for A2/A1? I remember now, there isn't one.

Roland Pulfrew 14th Feb 2008 21:12


What is the pay rise for A2/A1?
Only professional pride. :rolleyes: A bit like D, C, B & A Cats or LCR, CR, CR(A) & CR(S) or whatever it is this week!!

Tiger_mate 14th Feb 2008 21:57

Can you get an AIP if on the PA spine for an A1/2 upgrade?

If so, there are pennies in it for you.

grobace 14th Feb 2008 22:02

Bruce Latton
 
A bit of thread creep, no doubt, but Bruce Latton was certainly an extremely good instructor. I wasn't aware he had made A1 on his first tour - I was one of his first studes on the Gnat, so he was probably only a B2 or perhaps a B1 at the time. But he was every bit as good value as any of the more experienced staff. Of course, back then, I'm not sure I could really tell! Mind you, I remember him being peeved when he couldn't talk me into applying for Hunters, but that's another tale.

maximo ping 14th Feb 2008 22:41

He was definitely Cmdt CFS in 1990, and was the QFI on trip 3 of my Multi Engine Cross Over on the Jetstream. An absolute gentleman, it was the first sortie I ever actually enjoyed wholeheartedly. Quite a revelation after 3 years in flying training...:D

Uncle Ginsters 15th Feb 2008 11:58

Oops, I appear to have started a thread creep into basic statistical definitions -Not my point!
My original point was that if all QFIs are expected to be A2 standard by the end of their first tour, then in the field of QFIs, that degrades the A2. Why can't the powers that be accept that some people don't have either the intention or ability (or both) to reach the A2 standard. In any other flying tour, only the best would be expected to be Above the Average at the end of their first tour in that role.

Standing by to be corrected, good Sirs!

Monty77 15th Feb 2008 15:17

WG13 has it right.

If you do anything long enough, you get pretty good at it. So after 2 years instructing, you are much better than the B2 you were. If you aren't, then you need to hold yourself up to the light. There are blokes who don't achieve A2 at the end of an instructional tour, despite having been single seat background. You may be a 4-ship lead, but that doesn't mean you'll be good at helping a young shaver through the sticky patch that most of us encounter at some point during our long road to whatever cockpit we end up in.
Horses for courses and all that.

Halfwayback 15th Feb 2008 20:04

Took my CFS A2 in New Zealand whilst on exchange.

Luckily there was an ex-RAF CFS examiner that CFS authorised to examine me!

HWB

L J R 16th Feb 2008 05:19

All Commonwealth CFS's are 'cross recognised'. RAF QFI = others from recognised CFS (CFS secret handshake) - And I dont mean CFS of Malawi...

minigundiplomat 16th Feb 2008 17:29


All Commonwealth CFS's are 'cross recognised'.
Maybe. An aussie and an omani on my CFS course. The omani won the ground school trophy, just as well as his briefs were interesting, and in his second language.


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