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Video Mixdown 30th Aug 2023 12:22


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11494174)
The RAF variant (This is the Military Aviation Forum, not the 1950's Airliner Nostalgia Forum) that so often failed to materialise at the end of a deployment.

You must have been exceptionally unlucky. I can't remember a single time that happened to me.

minigundiplomat 30th Aug 2023 12:34


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11494187)
You must have been exceptionally unlucky. I can't remember a single time that happened to me.

Or you were exceptionally lucky, I can remember multiple times......

andytug 30th Aug 2023 13:12

The real explanation, from this

"Concorde flies at Mach 2, 1500mph, which is faster than a bullet from a gun. Which is why they've never made a military Concorde, because if it opened fire it would shoot itself down........"

tdracer 30th Aug 2023 17:38

The XB-70 Valkyrie predated the Concorde by well over a decade - and would have been a far more capable military platform than the Concorde ever would (Mach 3, a large internal bomb load, and range).
It was cancelled because it had become apparent that 'high and fast' simply wasn't enough against the emerging air defenses - and that was in the 1960's.
So my first question would be - "What could a military Concorde bring to the table that the XB-70 wouldn't have done better?"

Buster15 30th Aug 2023 18:11


Originally Posted by andytug (Post 11494213)
The real explanation, from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KbU...t=LL&index=175

"Concorde flies at Mach 2, 1500mph, which is faster than a bullet from a gun. Which is why they've never made a military Concorde, because if it opened fire it would shoot itself down........"

Hey? That doesn't make sense.
It can fly faster than a bullet from a gun. Then that being the case, how could it possibly shoot itself down. Because the bullet it fired would not be able to catch up with the Concorde.

pr00ne 30th Aug 2023 18:13


Originally Posted by andytug (Post 11494213)
The real explanation, from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KbU...t=LL&index=175

"Concorde flies at Mach 2, 1500mph, which is faster than a bullet from a gun. Which is why they've never made a military Concorde, because if it opened fire it would shoot itself down........"

So, each and every air combat aircraft since the F-100 has been a myth?
Who knew…

57mm 30th Aug 2023 18:58

Never mind all that. T'would have been a brilliant transport for the AOC on his annual inspection.....

ICM 30th Aug 2023 22:15


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11494187)
You must have been exceptionally unlucky. I can't remember a single time that happened to me.

Just caught up with this as regards the VC 10 (C)1 - and I can only add that my recollection of the 10's early days - both on a squadron tour and in posts related to the daily tasking of the aircraft - back up what you say. Serviceability was at least as good as that achieved by any of our transport aircraft of the time and management of the force was not a problem.

Jetset 88 31st Aug 2023 08:22

RAF VC10 C1 Serviceablility
 
Having flown the RAF VC10s for six years in the 1980s, I can only say that the serviceability rate was never a problem affecting my small part in that sphere of operations. Of course there were the occasional times when snags occurred.<br />One such event happened to me when the centre windscreen started double-delaminating whilst climbing up through FL290. A return to the departure airfield after a lower level jettison of fuel was carried out. As soon as a few of the windscreen securing bolts were removed by the ground engs, the whole screen shattered into a million small pieces. We weren't going anywhere.<br />A new windscreen was ordered from the nearest RAF base holding one (HKG) but it was then was lost in transit by the civilian carrier in Melbourne, Aus. A new window had to be ordered from the UK but would take a week to reach us. - Oh I forgot to say that we were climbing out of Nandi in Fiji when we had the failure and it was in mid-December. We had to suffer a week in Fiji getting a suntan, before returning home just in time for Christmas. As a penance for our enjoyment we later had to suffer many a night flight to Cyprus and back, as recompense for a week in the South Pacific whilst all at home were shivering.

aZooZa 5th Sep 2023 04:55

Thank you very much. I appreciate your time! I might find the 'Like' button at some stage :ok:

West Coast 6th Sep 2023 02:19


Originally Posted by Buster15 (Post 11494356)
Hey? That doesn't make sense.
It can fly faster than a bullet from a gun. Then that being the case, how could it possibly shoot itself down. Because the bullet it fired would not be able to catch up with the Concorde.

An amusing sidebar to the conversation

https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/new...t-itself-down/

Amusing unless your the pilot who shot himself down. New call sign, bullet catcher.



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