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The Helpful Stacker 19th Oct 2007 10:04


Stacker, that is just so pervy.
The RAFs first twin rotor helicopter, nowt pervy about that.

Its a shame none of the squadrons that now operate the mighty wokka previous operated the Belvedere.

Kitbag 19th Oct 2007 10:34

The Belvedere

(Is this the only aircraft named after an architectural feature BTW?)
Well Bristols also had the Blenheim, but it was mainly because of alliteration, with the exception I think of the Type 170 Freighter every Bristol aircraft seems to have had a name beginning with 'B'. I seem to recall this was an Air Ministry policy dating from the early twenties for some manufacturers, Hawkers being a prime example- biplane Hart through VTOL Harrier

Gainesy 19th Oct 2007 10:46

I thought 18Sqn did? Anyway,it's still pervy 'cos its a helo.:)

(Though I'd like to see a Wessex again).

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 19th Oct 2007 10:50

Kitbag. As the Bristol Wayfarer?

http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/aimages/G1506.jpg

The AvgasDinosaur 19th Oct 2007 11:14

Just quietly I hope some one can keep the requisite paperwork and parts on one side to go with a Jaguar and perhaps a Tornado.
I understand MOD rules state that 10 years must elapse from withdrawal to flight ?
That which I fear most is the dreaded bean counters "Format C:" in these days of using confusors and keyboards to keep records.
I know they are not very popular with some at the moment, but lets plan ahead.
Be lucky
David

The Helpful Stacker 19th Oct 2007 11:24


I thought 18Sqn did? Anyway,it's still pervy 'cos its a helo.
No it was only operated by 26, 66 and 72 sqns.


(Though I'd like to see a Wessex again).
HC2 variety with a Nitesun hanging off the side?

Kitbag 19th Oct 2007 11:24

GBZ, absolutely, the Type number (170) was the same, the difference between the Freighter and the Wayfarer as I'm sure you know is the lack of nose doors on the latter.

Gainesy 19th Oct 2007 11:28


HC2 variety with a Nitesun hanging off the side?
Nah, yellow one, dope-on-a-rope style.:)

Airborne Aircrew 19th Oct 2007 11:39

People keep saying Mossie...

In 1983(?, It may have been '84), when I was at Shawbury there was, most definitely, a flying Mossie. I know because 3 or 4 U/T Loadies were stopped from crossing the runway on the way over to the squadron one morning by the lights only to watch, with chins on the ground, a beautiful Mossie land right in front of us.

Did something happen to that one?

Tim Inder 19th Oct 2007 11:58

Unfortunately it crashed a few years ago. :(
I remember when I was at Hertfordshire Uni (Hatfield Poly for BEagle :)) in about 1994. I was living in the student accommodation at Shenley Hospital, just down the road from Salisbury Hall. There must have been an airshow on there as all of a sudden there was the spine tingling sound of two Merlins at VERY low altitude echoing around the buildings and the sight of the Mossie pulling up into a very steep wingover and swooping back in the opposite direction. (I think the 500' rule was well and truly busted!) I imagine the water tower in the hospital block made an excellent landmark for a turning point. Another aviation minded stude appeared as the last echoes were dissipating and asked "What the heck was that? Did you see anything?" I explained what I had just seen and his reply was something along the lines of "Yer, bo**ocks, sounded more like a Cessna to me" when said Mossie appeared again, if anything even LOWER and faster and did the same punchy wingover before zooming off again. We were both :eek: and :D although my mate was also :ouch: and I was :E!

TEEEJ 19th Oct 2007 12:03

I believe you would have seen Mosquito G-ASKH, RR299

Sadly the Mosquito crashed in 1996

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resou...pdf_501355.pdf

http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/top/o/M59.jpg

airborne_artist 19th Oct 2007 12:38

Tim Inder - I believe I know of that display. A friend of mine had/has it on a video that he took. The sound track is littered with the squeals of brakes from cars on the M25 as drivers thought "what the :mad: was that?"

I'll see if I can persuade him to digitise it an upload it to YouTube.

TheStrawMan 19th Oct 2007 12:56

Submarine Scout Class


With the outbreak of the war the threat to British shipping became apparent to the Admiralty. It was realised that with airships, they had an instrument which could protect the shipping by spotting the submarine threats.
http://www.aht.ndirect.co.uk/airship...s/subscout.jpg

They can keep an eye on Ivan while our ac are out in the sand.

GeeRam 19th Oct 2007 13:24


Originally Posted by Airborne Aircrew
People keep saying Mossie...
In 1983(?, It may have been '84), when I was at Shawbury there was, most definitely, a flying Mossie. I know because 3 or 4 U/T Loadies were stopped from crossing the runway on the way over to the squadron one morning by the lights only to watch, with chins on the ground, a beautiful Mossie land right in front of us.
Did something happen to that one?

Actually, in 1983/84 there were THREE flying Mosquitos in the UK - just, but definately 2, so whilst most likely it was BAe's RR299 as mentioned previously, it may have been either RS712 (1984 was when it was flown down to PPS from the Strathallan Collection) or less likely RS709.

Airborne Aircrew 19th Oct 2007 13:25


Unfortunately it crashed a few years ago.
Saddened... Utterly saddened...


Actually, in 1983/84 there were THREE flying Mosquitos in the UK
So.. that means there are two remaining? .... Don't tell me...

Razor61 19th Oct 2007 13:42


Got to be a Buccaneer and a Hunter
Aren't there enough Hunters flying already then? Must be atleast 10-15 flying in the UK, including a few with the MoD based at Hurn. Go to Exeter or Kemble and you will see the rest flying.

Being realistic,
Victor next...

muppetofthenorth 19th Oct 2007 13:46

What about the Halifax and Mosquito at Elvington?

The Mossie's always in some state of repair/rebuild - could that be flyable one day in the future?

As for the Halifax, having that alongside the BBMF's Lanc would be a sight.

NST 19th Oct 2007 13:48

I would have liked to have seen a Shorts Stirling, Handley Page Halifax or a Vickers Wellington. All three seem to be forgotten in the shadow of the Lancaster. A relative flew for a while on the Beaufighter during the war and it looks like one while be airworthy again thanks to the Fighter Collection .. http://www.fighter-collection.com/pa...hter/index.php .. cant wait to see it get airborne.

GeeRam 19th Oct 2007 13:56


Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth
What about the Halifax and Mosquito at Elvington?

The Mossie's always in some state of repair/rebuild - could that be flyable one day in the future?

Absolutely no chance of the Elvington Mossie ever flying.

Nor for that matter the Halifax.

Both are essentially composite partially complete static rebuilds, not that should be critical of what were two very dedicated long term restorations with very little available funding.

airborne_artist 19th Oct 2007 13:59


So.. that means there are two remaining? .... Don't tell me...
One Mosquito was bought by Kermit Weeks:

From here "With its filming career over, RS712 was bought for the Strathallan Museum in September 1972, and flown there on 8th November 1975. The closure of the collection forced the sale of RS712, which was acquired by Kermit Weeks of Florida in June 1981 for the sum of £100,000. Harry Robins took over the task of returning RS712 to airworthiness in 1984, and he and George Aird flew the Mosquito to Booker airfield on 21st December and into the care of Personal Plane Services. Following further work by Harry, in 1986 RS712 was camouflaged and given the code EG-F to represent the 487 Squadron Mosquito flown by Group Captain P.C.Pickard during the attack on Amiens prison in 1944. On 29th September George Aird with George Stewart as co-pilot took off from RAF Benson for the first leg of the trip to Prestwick. Initially joined by RR299 near its Hawarden base for a formation photo session, twenty five and a half hours flying time saw RS712 delivered to Kermit's museum in Florida."


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