Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the Professional Pilots' Rumour Network isn't it? Pablo is a professional pilot and although he may have made an error of judgement, we're supposed to support each other - why else do we have a discussion forum? I learned to be opme and honest in my debriefs, but slagging each other off is mere tittle-tattle, unless the rest of you are perfect pilots, and I haven't flown with one of them yet, but I have flown with some really dull ones who didn't have the capacity to do anything remotely exciting. Perhaps Pablo just need some support from the people who trained to do the same job he did.

The sad thing is, you don't see Doctors or Lawyers publicly knifing each other in the back on internet forums. And we wonder why the status of pilots in falling?

Leopards don't change their spots, it was only a matter of time eh Pablo!!

hunterboy, One of the reasons why there is a surplus of integrity in our profession is because we are not averse to criticising each other. Doctors bury their mistakes and lawyers cover for them.

... and, sadly, Aircrew bury them too.

This thread seems to have descended into a stampede for the moral high ground - there are those who wish to throw mud at a named individual, and those who wish to throw mud at the mud throwers. It's got a bit pathetic really. I have to say, I think comments like are at best naive, or more likely designed to be inflamatory. After all, the vast majority of people using these forums are aircrew of some sort, anddo so behind a username, and I very much doubt that everybody knows who everyone else is or can confidently say what they do for a living.

Aside from the tiresome tirades of Pablos mates vs Pablos critics, there was an opportunity here to discuss the situation in the abstract, which seems to have been lost. A sad reflection on the way this forum has been going - a lot of people with something they feel they have to prove!

At the risk of being frivolous...

You actually said that in a Military Aircrew forum? It was going to be a p1ssing match the moment Mr. Mason said "Yeah, bring him up here and let him look around"... :E

Frivolity aside, I agree with you here... There are several issues that are pertinent to people in all walks of life but that are particularly focused in the case of flight crew that are in play in this situation. As you say, "mates" against "critics". Silly.

Jut a couple of thoughts to try to shoot down some of the silly posts on here, especially from the ex/failed mil types :rolleyes:

This was a charter aircraft, chartered by Blackburn Rovers exclusively for them and only them :ok:

On a recent trip to the States we had the inevitable delays as "Brownforce" 1 taxied into Andrews Airforce Base. This was a BA aircraft "chartered" by HMG and without a doubt under the same FAA/CAA regs some twerps in here are quoting..........................so if the lying thieving ex sheriff of Nottingham had asked to and been granted permission to visit the flight deck would we now be demanding the head of the BA Captain..............:rolleyes:

Ahhh... I see... That changes the rules then? The company policy changed then?

Of course not... and the company is doing what it sees fit. Remember, they didn't hire him just for the "glory" of firing him. BA should do what it feels appropriate too... You're logic is flawed... But that's not exactly a big surprise...

Before you start saying I have some axe to grind read back a few posts and note that I have no idea who this man is and really don't care...

I say again for the hard of reading.............

'On a recent trip to the States we had the inevitable delays as "Brownforce" 1 taxied into Andrews Airforce Base. This was a BA aircraft "chartered" by HMG and without a doubt under the same FAA/CAA regs some twerps in here are quoting..........................so if the lying thieving ex sheriff of Nottingham had asked to and been granted permission to visit the flight deck would we now be demanding the head of the BA Captain..............:rolleyes:

So both were chartered aircraft, both with "known" and absolutely no threat folk on board, so can you seriously tell us that the BA captain would be fired for letting "Golden Brown"on the flight deck...........now, it's not a spelling check so pause and breath before answering :ok:

In what alternate reality is the violation of FAA/CAA regulations acceptable?

So you know what we all do for a living then?

For the record, I am a pilot - hence my comment about using the gear on a VC10 as a convenient, and smooth, way of increasing drag. However, as I am NOT a 757 expert, I chose not to comment upon this aspect of the discussion.

The gentleman in question has placed himself in the public eye in the past - for good and bad reasons - and as such an event like this becomes valid "news". He has a career that could best be described as "chequered" - see the post about the written off Tornado for a start - and that history indicates a possible problem when it comes to adhering to the rules. This incident would appear to back up that view..

Those who court celebrity, as Pablo has in the past, make themselves targets - especially if their professional performance is less than 100% professional!

Sorry Garden, can't help you there, only heard about it second/third hand.

In the reality of any feckin Governmental leader saying "we hired this sharabang so give us a look"...........so google me/anyone else on here the rules and regs for that situation.

And also please quote us on here any situation where a state leader has been denied access to the fllight deck because of the CAA/FAA rules you quote..............:p

... And I will say again for the hard of intelligent thought... :rolleyes:

Just because a person is "of rank" does not place them "above the law". Rules can be bent, but if your superior doesn't let it go you will be punished for it. If that is too difficult a concept for you to grasp then it, absolutely, confirms what the several people who seem to know who you are in real life have stated to me in PM's: that you are equally obnoxious, ineffectual and arrogant in your current position as you are here.

My points are valid and sensible... You are simply nay saying because you are... let me see... obnoxious, ineffectual and arrogant... Come up with something of use or go away...:rolleyes:

If only there was a crayon option.............:rolleyes:

If Gordon Brown/Tony Blair....etc etc ......get on a chartered BA flight, chartered by HMG and say can I visit the flight deck and the Captain says yes............should he be sacked?

Common sense was used in this instance and I am sure common sense will prevail.

"confirms what the several people who seem to know who you are in real life have stated to me in PM's: that you are equally obnoxious, ineffectual and arrogant in your current position as you are here."

And my current position is.............go on list your sources chap:rolleyes:

Should he...absolutely. It's not his country, he's just some unelected (as PM) (insert your own expletive). Unless he has gained explicit approval to do so from the CAA before-hand; he should know better than to ask. If the captain refuses, what's the worst that can happen? Error of judgement, but no transgression of the rules.

Now, had we a credible strategic VVIP outfit in the military, them's different rules, but let's not get started on that. After all, we're the only G8 nation not to have one....:ugh:

BBD,

Re read your last post and I can only assume alcohol was involved.

So if Abramovitch, who owns the feckin aircraft, or Branson who owns all the feckin aircraft asks...............should they also apply to the FAA/CAA for permission............christ where does this end and common sense take over.....:rolleyes:

Following this thread with interest. It seems that the truth is being held back yet again by speculation. Would Mr M be prepared to speak????


I am neither a fan, nor colleague, nor friend, yet I have Respect for the aviator.


And of the the truth.



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The guy probably can't talk about this now, even if he wanted to, as he is probably under advise from his lawyers.