The Russian woods are full of them.......

Shame the news papers (and those that gave them the story) seem to have forgotten that "No one kicks ass without tanker gas"!!!

Tonks :rolleyes:

'Cept the Russians? They seemed to get here OK....

Question - So how far do they have to penetrate UKADR before we actually decide - that is far enough and stop them (Shoot down) ?

and does any UK politician really have the guts to make the decision, and by the time they made the decision would it be too late anyway ?

And does the Bear still have a stand off capability (Kangaroo ?) anyway so would not actually have to enter UKADR to launch weapons.................. ?

Just obvious questions to me......

Arc

Cold War white elephant II
 

In today's Telegraph, in between discussion of Typhoons and Bears, was this snippet:

Some jaded PPRuNers may now think that just perhaps, in the absence of a crystal ball, spending money on this wasn't all that crazy after all...

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/upload/img_400/merlin1.jpg

Aren't Backfires, Blackjacks etc a bit more worrying, if resurrected ?

As to Kangaroo, I'm no expert but having seen the size of that thing ( and age ) wouldn't it be carried at least partly externally - Bear experts welcome to jump here - , so visible, and anyway even the shameful UK defences ( though not quite as bad as made out ) could probably get that one if ignoring the possible nuclear contamination side of any debris.

I suspect there are much more modern & efficient nasty stores to worry about, so the age old snag remains, deciding from intelligence etc if the delivery aircraft means business & is ok to shoot down...

Surely rather than shoot them down we should roll inverted, get into a 4g negative dive and give them a salute while using a retro polaroid camera?

Rock star!

Pretty Typhoon pics though. Timings everything I suppose. Typhoon QRA once in a blue moon was always going to get the juicy intercepts. ;)

Oh well. Back to the lazy boy and Discovery channel.

Its got to find the submarine first..... Which so far it has failed to do

Vec...........

And your credentials are.....................:rolleyes:

If you're referring to that oh so realistic scene in 'Top Gun', snag is those cameras were auto-focus with no over-ride - so the result would be a nice shot of the inside of one's own canopy with a blurred 'bogie' in the vague background at best...:}

Never seen that movie... Haven't lived yet...

Lightnings had about 15 minutes of fuel for each QRA, I've been told. This can't be true! They wouldn't even have time to reach the enemy!
can anyone verify this?

We're buggered then if all we can manage is one or two Nimrods to be airborne at any one time...

Forget Kangaroos, Kingfish etc, the only Bears the Russians still have in service are the Bear Hs (about 60 IIRC) which carry the AS-15 Kent ALCM with a launch range of about 3000km. Which is one reason they stopped coming, they can launch those in the circuit as soon as they get airborne.

Their recent sorties are purely of political consequence, not military.

And they had to mod all the H-16s under treaty so they couldn't carry...er 16 of the bloody things..any chance they were naughty and kept the racks? Naah wouldn’t be like the Sovs would it?

Anyone want to say HomoSovieticus isn’t back?

Is it true that you can hear a Bear's propellors from inside your own jet?

VVHA
Again your posts fail to capture reality.
Without being specific we have found many submarines - all different colours too - diesel and nuclear.
In fact we have embarrassed many a submariner with all sorts of current tech, that we have clearly proven the unassaible status of Merlin HM as an ASW as well as ASUW platform.
Si

You'll be able to hear them in MoD Main Building, ere long.

I assume you mean 'with a stand off capability'. The still have Bear F and Bear Js, and the former is also flown by the Indians.

Regards,
MM

The Colombians have a more efficient way of conducting ASW - get 'em bfore they enter the water :rolleyes::D

It always used to scare the pants off me when you got abeam the props on the intercept. Seemed like a bezillion counter-roating parts that were ready to be chucked in your cockpit. Sounded quite nice too until the pesky blighter started the min speed climb and you fell back to earth, all embarrased in your shiny pursuit ship.

Without starting a major conspiracy theory, maybe they didn't take piccies of the F3 coz they already have some. Most of the F1,2,3,4 etc mates have them coming out of their ears.