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621andy 14th Jul 2007 15:35

Oh dear, arrived too late! My money would've been on the Barge or the Mark 3.

Always thought it'd make an interesting airshow act -

1947 vintage barge and a Phantom on the starting blocks, drop the flag and the first to 1000' wins:}

Frelon 14th Jul 2007 15:53

I agree, can't beat a Mk 111. I was involved with the making of a COI promotional film for the Air Cadets many moons ago and a Whirlwind helicopter was commandeered to be used as a camera platform to do the filming. After some initial briefing the helicopter pilot decided that the best way to film the launch of the Mk 111 was to take off at the same time as the glider and film the winch launch. Anyway when I reached 1000ft and looked down I could see a very noisy heli trying to catch up with me! After some debriefing after that flight the helicopter pilot suggested for the next flight he wait at the top of the launch!! The cameraman also said that I should not look at the helicopter, it might spoil the shot! Anyway I got to the top of the launch, the helicopter approached and flew alongside me, very noisily. I think I did look at the helicopter a couple of times - sorry Mr Cameraman. Nevertheless I still hold the memory of the helicopter trying to catch me up on the launch. I think the helicopter pilot learnt something that day.
The associated music was a Beatles song, I seem to remember. Would be good to see the film again if anybody knows where to look.
Oh bugger! He mentioned "brakes"! No brakes on Mk111's:confused:

Hipper 14th Jul 2007 16:03

The IWM have some COI films here:

http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server/show/nav.00g004

Use the 'Search the Film and Video Database....' near the top of the page, centre.

Not Long Here 14th Jul 2007 21:41

MK 1 Nimrod, Min Crew, 12k Fuel, 100% and PABTO.

T/O run was about 800ft so IN wouldn't align!

US Herk 14th Jul 2007 23:00

Hercules with JATO - hands down!

ehwatezedoing 15th Jul 2007 11:11

Yeah, go baby go! :E
http://www.combatreform2.com/credibl...xtremeJATO.jpg

diginagain 15th Jul 2007 11:41

Ahh yes, 'Credible Sport', most impressive; right up to the moment when the rockets went whoosh-bang as per the program, but 30 feet too high.

Razor61 15th Jul 2007 12:35

Was thinking that myself, must be on youtube somewhere.....oh look i found it:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDlyk9E67_A
A lot of cop that was, wasn't it :hmm:

US Herk 15th Jul 2007 12:36


Ahh yes, 'Credible Sport', most impressive; right up to the moment when the rockets went whoosh-bang as per the program, but 30 feet too high.
Not "per the program", human error. The forward firing rockets were manually initiated by the FE - a bit too soon on the last flight for ship #1.

But my reference to JATO was to the production version as delivered by Lockheed on all C-130E/H1 frames. Also used by US Navy Blue Angel's Fat Albert and by LC-130 aircraft in antarctic as well.

Whilst never used by RAF in service, it was tested by RAF crews for Albert...one of the spent canisters used to be in 47 SQN (SF), IIRC.

diginagain 15th Jul 2007 13:01

Credible Sport
 
Either finger-trouble, or the FE had an idea that any planned use of Rocket Retarded Landing would involve something really unpleasant, and, in reducing the fleet by a third, managed to scupper the scheme.

The AvgasDinosaur 15th Jul 2007 13:20

You can with a Comet
 

Any RAF aircraft, current or past that could get airborne off Manchester Rwy 23 and get to FL 410 by overhead Birmingham airport? The parameters are: A full pay / bomb load, 1/4 fuel and fixed wing............................................
As an exercise, any military aircraft, F16 etc but with the same parameters?
There is at least one civi aircraft that can!
That'll be De havillands finest the Comet. Climbs like a homesick angel. I think in the 70's the Manchester runway was 24 and not 23, but it recently got shifted overnight to 25/07 so watch out if you are planning to visit us.
Be lucky
David

threeputt 15th Jul 2007 15:09

US Herk
 
Whilst never used by RAF in service, it was tested by RAF crews for Albert...one of the spent canisters used to be in 47 SQN (SF), IIRC.

Still was when I worked there two years ago. It was used as a doorstop for the Flt Cdr Trg/Ops Officer's office!

3P

contrail 15th Jul 2007 15:22

Civvy B767-200 can make FL410 before BHX :E

RAF_Techie101 15th Jul 2007 23:19

VSTOL...
 
I happen to have a video of a Piper SuperCub (I think..) performing an 18 ft takeoff... Not sure how long to get to any altitude, but it is stupidly impressive....

West Coast 16th Jul 2007 06:06

Credible Sport
 
Thought I saw something recently that the concept was being revisited.
Anyone else hear about it as well?

moggiee 16th Jul 2007 10:38


Originally Posted by TorqueOfTheDevil (Post 3410522)
Bloodhound? You didn't specify manned aircraft...

Damn, you beat me to it!

Originally Posted by Art Field (Post 3410539)
Reckon the Victor2 could beat the FunBus, same engines, lighter weight.
Just beat you to it Dan, likewise. I know which one I preferred though.

Depends how light you make it. I've had the VSI on a 10 off the stops - on the UPWARDS side.


Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur (Post 3413499)
I think in the 70's the Manchester runway was 24 and not 23, but it recently got shifted overnight to 25/07 so watch out if you are planning to visit us.
Be lucky
David

No - it's just been renamed 23/05 (L or R depending upon which you are using). If you work at EGCC, I hope you're not in ATC!

Krystal n chips 16th Jul 2007 16:03

R.A.F.G G.S.A Ka8 .....winch launched at Venlo GC....forget the placarded launch speeds and any of this "waving off" gubbins....the Cloggies, bless them,:ok: simply went balls out from "all out" to the top of the launch...watching the wings "flex" is, erm, "interesting" as they say. You have to go some way to beat this one in this respect.

I would have put money on the Lightning though ..or a Canberra / Hunter having seen them perform as it were.

Double Zero 16th Jul 2007 19:28

Bearing in mind the power to weight ratio, no messing about with a runway run except a short STO, and that by 1000' high speed drag won't have kicked in, I find it hard to believe it's not a Harrier, probably GR3 in this respect. :bored:

Champagne Anyone? 16th Jul 2007 21:16

I thought there was an identical thread on here a couple of years ago and the answer was the Puma.......


Just a guess...

talk_shy_tall_knight 16th Jul 2007 21:49

I refer the hon gentlebody to post numero seveno...

towit... Fixed wing.


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