Typhoon VS Rafale?
 

As a civilian pilot I have extremely limited knowledge of the two types.

Curious as to how they would fare against each other, thoughts, opinions?

No contest, the RAF pilot would see and honour the Frenchies white flag:ok:

IIRC they have just had a exercise together, I don't know if they were pitched against each other or if they were on the same side though!!, anyone know the name of the exercise?

Isn't their a major problem with the canairds ( spelling? ) on the Typhoon being directly in the line of sight of pilot and ground?
Not a great design feature!

There was a study the results of which I posted a year back. Essentially, IIRC, the Typhoon would have a kill rate of 4.5:1 compared with Rafael at about 1:1 or slightly less. The F22 was even better than the Typhoon as you would expect, something like 10:1

But if you could afford 1000 Rafael!

The canards won't really be a problem as you rarely fly S+L when looking at the ground. Most of the time you'll either be dipping a wing for a look or in the wagon wheel.

Having said that, I've only flown the sim.........:)

"Isn't their a major problem with the canairds ( spelling? ) on the Typhoon being directly in the line of sight of pilot and ground?"

No, you don't even notice them unless you are bored and think "I'll look at the canards".

Ray :-)

Well I would have thought seeing a spiraling smoke trail coming from ontop a hill in Afghanistan might be quite important!:eek: about four seconds to impact! oops can't see in my canard blind spot unless I am weaving all the over the place!!!

Well what a load of bolleaux has been posted on this very young thread.

The canard foreplanes, to give them their correct names, are not an issue visibility wise once airborne.

They assist in the excellent dynamics of this particular aircraft by a huge margin. It's no coincedence that the Typhoon is the most popular display on this year's circuit!

As for figures and facts versus the Rafale: I couldn't comment. They both seem extremely capable aircraft. Having flown niether, I'm not best placed to offer an opinion.

Stilton, just as a heads up, since this question has been asked before -

Do not be surprised to see your thread take the following course:

1. Shortly after about this point in the thread a rabidly nationalist French loon materialises to explain that the Typhoon is utterly, utterly rubbish and that the Rafale (and for that matter anything French) is vastly superior to the appalling anglo-saxon rubbish the RAF is buying.

2. Other Ppruners question the troll's credentials to comment. French chap - invariably busily fighting similar campaign on Key Publishing Forum - responds with lots of technical detail which is shot to pieces by an array of people who know what they're on about (not a hazard our troll faces on the Key forums).

3. He then denigrates Typhoon's performance claims saying this is all marketing spin...

4. ...before regurgitating Dassault marketing spin as gospel evidence of Rafale's brilliance.

5. Jackonicko endeavours to put the case for Typhoon.

6. Troll, incapable of rebutting JN's points, libels Jackonicko

7. Hostilities between Jacknicko and French Troll commence.

8. Surrender banter breaks out amongst spectating Ppruners. Troll fails to grasp that this is banter and becomes even more vehment (usually itself in more libelling of JN and anti-English sentiment)

9. Comments about the correlation between cheese consumption, simians and capitulation are deployed. Troll becomes almost incoherent with nationalistic rage. Libels JN some more. JN, pushed beyond endurance, abandons politeness and embarks upon pointed sarcasm.

10. Thread collapses into chaos as Troll lashes out in increasingly xenophobic manner, blaming UK for all world ills.

11. Moderater (usually PPrune Pop) sighs deeply. Thread is closed. Danny invites troll to depart these hallowed portals.

12. Thread originator, upon careful examination, discovers that answer to question is buried somewhere in the wreckage...

Have I missed anything?

Archimedes, old chap.

You have summarised it perfectly.

we will find out which is ' best ' when the French sell Rafale to the Iranians and we go to war wearing the stars and stripes on our beautiful new Typhoons..... dog fighting, turning in, requesting a fly by when the pattern is full....... flying below the hard deck.......... all the stuff we have managed to do the last 15 years WITHOUT Typhoon...mmm !




what a load of f :mad: arrse the Typhoon is !!!!

Hey hey hey your not French! havn't you read Archimedes Thread rules #1.

There are a Couple of Typhoons in the US now, there are exercises scheduled which the Typhoon are invited in various locations, lets wait for the PR machine to leak some good news on their performance..

Cheers

I wouldn't hold your breath......:\

But I bet the Typhoon pilot is back first!


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I consider myself enlightened..

Just before the Frogs get here, and before it all kicks off, I would like to reiterate RIGHT NOW, that felllow EU members urinating in my general direction will not be tolerated under Brussels legislation and my mother did NOT smell of elderberries. More like gin, actually.

Luftwaffe Typhoons at Holloman
 

Will the Luftwaffe be basing Typhoons in the US for training as it does with the Tornados at Holloman? If so, we'll see F22's and Typhoons at the same base, which could be interesting.

The canard foreplanes, to give them their correct names, are not an issue visibility wise once airborne.
why is that then QFI? do they become transparent at V1 :O.
Note the relative differences below, who's got the best viz?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi....zj807.arp.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...afale2_ag1.jpg

Excellent rearwards view from the Rafale cockpit allegedly, this may fit in perfectly with traditional ConOps!;)