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ATMonkey 22nd Jan 2007 13:47

Army route checks the RAF
 
I've just heard that the Army are in the process of 'route checking' all AT routes, to make sure we're doing what it says on the tin.

We have enough to worry about, without an Army Colonel demanding to know why you were 20 minutes late departing.

Good? Bad?

OKOC 22nd Jan 2007 14:00

So where did you "hear" this or is this another wind up/fishing story. I note this is your first post.:cool:

SASless 22nd Jan 2007 14:03


Originally Posted by ATMonkey (Post 3083024)
I've just heard that the Army are in the process of 'route checking' all AT routes, to make sure we're doing what it says on the tin.

We have enough to worry about, without an Army Colonel demanding to know why you were 20 minutes late departing.

Good? Bad?

Perhaps the "customer" is wanting his money's worth? You reckon they might suggest contracting out passenger hauls to more capable operations could follow from this?

BEagle 22nd Jan 2007 14:03

So it's a sort of 'Customer Service Survey' as SASless rightly states?

Not a bad idea - if it's conducted in the right spirit.

We used to have to submit an entry in the aircraft diary if we were more than 20 min late off blocks - I never did learn what happened to all that data though. There must have been quite a lot of it, judging by all the paperwork delays, cocked up head counts and unreasonably tight planned turn round times I saw in my brief experience of AT.

Although "We were late because we had to recover a passenger life vest stolen by some thieving squaddie" might not go down too well with Woopert of the Wedgiment.... It happened to me once after a Turnhouse to Hannover trip; the movers had worked hard in the hot weather to get the jet unloaded and loaded in the turn round time, but the ALM found that one of the pax life vests was on its way to some squaddie barracks or other - the bus was stopped by the MPs and the life vest returned.

Not the fault of the RAF, that particular delay!

Saintsman 22nd Jan 2007 15:11

I don't suppose "Unless I get some lemon for my tea, I'm not going" will go down too well either.

Blakey875 22nd Jan 2007 15:37

I heard about this yesterday and it's true - consequence of the TA MP tirade. What worries the guys on the ground is that the said 'inquisitive' pongo will head straight for the youngest airman with white knees and grill him about what is happening with the turnround.

Widger 22nd Jan 2007 15:51

Here we go........same old, "if he hasn't got two wings on a light blue chest, he couldn't possibly have a brain and will not know what he is talking about!!!:= := := :=

Always_broken_in_wilts 22nd Jan 2007 16:13

Blakey,

"What worries the guys on the ground is that the said 'inquisitive' pongo will head straight for the youngest airman with white knees and grill him about what is happening with the turnround."

As the young airman with white knees is almost certainly going to be a mover, and as movers as we all know to our cost are the main reason for AT being delayed what you allude to seems perfectly reasonable to me:p

Blakey875 22nd Jan 2007 16:29

ABIW - Always causing mischief and it must hurt to be so right all the time. Your comment is of course not true but you must get in your 5 bleats a day.... What is worrying is that a lot of young airmen are now being deployed who are straight out of training but lack experience and sometimes still don't have all the ticks in the boxes because of manpower shortages. I believe a large percentage of the RAuxAF sqn are also on the Detachments and some theatres like the Balkans are now fully manned by them. it'll be interesting to see what the Army trapper discovers! It's also amazing that one third of the JHSU who support SH are also movers but they never get slagged off - must be a fixed wing J Loadie thing only?


Roll on 2012

Always_broken_in_wilts 22nd Jan 2007 16:38

Blakey,

I think you will find that it's all to do with the units name. It's the Joint Helicopter SUPPORT Unit and in my 3 Puma tours I can vouch for the fact that SUPPORT is exactly what they do:D

Only wish the "S" in UK MAMS or the new AMS moniker stood for support:rolleyes:

Always_broken_in_wilts 22nd Jan 2007 16:51

Ratty,

"Are you suggesting that the RAF is not training its Movers to a sufficient standard to be deployed safely?"

Did the RAF ever train it's movers to a sufficient standard, especially with regards to motorised vehicels, to be safely deployed anywhere:p

Blakey875 22nd Jan 2007 17:12

Ratty - No they are trained to operate safely but some only have the basic skills and so cannot operate all the support equipment. This in turn puts pressure on the others or sadly compels the supervisor sometimes to operate the kit himself losing total control as he is operating a piece of ACHE (Air Cargo Handling Equipment) - Does that clarify?
Roll on 2012

Blakey875 22nd Jan 2007 17:32

OMG!! - RTFQ! if you are a Supervisor you should not be operating any equipment otherwise someone else is telling you what to do. He/She didn't lose control of a piece of ACHE.....
Roll on 2012

November4 22nd Jan 2007 17:54

And yet another thread about AT as a whole descends into a let's slag the movers off :bored: :bored: :bored:

Saintsman 22nd Jan 2007 18:36


Originally Posted by ratty1 (Post 3083207)
Tea? Tea? Its a transport aircraft not a transport cafe!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

I heard it said from a Shiney 10 captain. Most put out he was.

Talking Radalt 22nd Jan 2007 18:38


Originally Posted by Widger (Post 3083226)
Here we go........same old, "if he hasn't got two wings on a light blue chest, he couldn't possibly have a brain and will not know what he is talking about!!!:= := := :=

Much like the "If you're not wearing cam cream you probably never go out in the rain so we're not even gonna listen to you" :hmm:

HEDP 22nd Jan 2007 19:52

The army effectively "route checks" the AT continuously and to date AT has been found "wanting"!
I guess by giving some warning of a particular "check" it will give a chance to improve things and achieve an acceptable service.
:E
The plane no longer departing when intended will now leave...........

Twopack 22nd Jan 2007 19:59


Originally Posted by HEDP (Post 3083604)
The army effectively "route checks" the AT continuously and to date AT has been found "wanting"!

Really?

Presumably you've seen the reports by the Army and have documentary evidence to prove this?

wg13_dummy 22nd Jan 2007 20:21


Originally Posted by Twopack (Post 3083616)
Really?

Presumably you've seen the reports by the Army and have documentary evidence to prove this?


Appears Parliament have and most of the MoD hence the close eye being kept on how they operate. :hmm:

SamCaine 22nd Jan 2007 20:40

Looks like a nerve being struck. :rolleyes:


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